Doris and David will be there this year. One of the club's we belong to is trying to get up a bus tour, but are short of people to help pay for the bus. If it doesn't make, we are going anyway. The bus tour we took with them a few years ago was great with fellowship and not having to drive. But in your own car you get to pick the gardens and how long you stay at each, which is a good thing. So we will win either way. If you can OD on DLs, Mecca is the weekend to do it. You meet so many people you have "met" online, but seeing them in person is so much better. Two years ago Doris met two from ATP DL forum. We have pictures of them all together. Go when you make yourself a chance. David