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Jul 5, 2016 4:56 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Hi FloraFlores, the 2nd plant is certainly a cardoon. It may be this one which is native to your island. Lamyropsis microcephala

I found this:
http://www.kew.org/science-con...
Perhaps it will help you to narrow it down.
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