I have 'Angel Gabriel' and 'Griesbach Tetra Pink' that I may cross with each other as well as some other OTs, mainly white ones. I seem to do better with those than asiatics, at least when it comes to growing them out. All I know is that I am destined to see pink at some point in this process. I love the pinks! It just has to happen. I have in my mind a nice OT with the beautiful spotting of Lisa's orientals paired with the pink of something like 'Maywood' or 'Socrates'. It has to have spots AND pink, that's the dream and I'm sticking to it