I have given some to every relative , neighbor and who would ever take some, but they just overrun the sun garden. They never show up in the shade garden or areas that retain water. The sun garden was set up for very good drainage for the Echinacea and is in full sun so mostly on the dry side, and they just seem to love it. The worse part is they pop up in the middle of other plants and that makes them very hard to get rid of with out hurting the other plants.