I still haven't figured out if it's the lack of chill, or the wet winters, but mine have done well here, in Orange county, for the third year. Of course, this was not the "normal" weatherfor the last three years.I know that Orientals don't last very long in this environment, but I managed to bring some Stargazers back to blooming size, though they didn't do as well this year as last. What the heck, it's worth replacing them every three years!