No lily society here,just little 'breakaway' groups,[and remember, i am in a state,separated from mainland states by 300 miles of water],.,..,.Just a generalisation Rick,regarding seeds,.,for instance,Latvia,bred with Latvia, must create Latvia seed,[as georgiavines has been selling for many years]..,If i have imported for instance,100 Buggys 'Awesome' bulbs and 3 years down the track,somebody else here is selling 'Awesome',grown from import seed [as i am] then, thats my point,. another honest point is that i dont know everything about breeding liliums, and probably never will..but i will continue learning