I feel sorry for people who just discovered Vintage Gardens and are in the process of building a collection. I have just about exhausted their stock, however. They still have some roses I've always wanted, but they're probably reluctant to grow on their own roots because Vintage never offers them for sale. I did place an order just now for eight roses, however. Six of them are duplicates of Vintage bands that didn't make it in the past. I'll give them one more try because it isn't likely I'll ever find them anywhere else.