Stphanie, I hope WOIA does wonderfully for you. It is the fastest increaser I grow, a long bloomer and fertile. Betty, you have some wonderful whites. Maybe you can try some pollen dabbing among them. Fred, I absolutely LOVE your white spiders. I don't grow dips but from what I read, do I understand that Dan is converting some of them? That would be awesome. Thanks for comments about my whites, There are so many lovely ones posted. I wonder which one you grow is the whitest? Cindy, your white seedling looks really white. For me the whitest I grow is SNOW CRYSTAL and ICE CRYSTAL(name reserved).