I don't think it was from me Rick, though it could have been. For a long time I had a little confusion over who Eros was, who Karen North was and some other odds and ends of langkongense hybrid stock acquired over a few years. Now that I know who is who for sure (I reordered them both to compare) I think Karen North is a spectacular grower. The North hybrids tend to be special that way. He combined all those genes in there just right, that Dr. North did such a great job, didn't he?