Steve - Their roses come in beautiful. Don't get me wrong, they're very vibrant, very healthy, never any blackspot or any other ickiness and their availability is to die for. They're just sooo teeny for my area! One I got that was a "two year rose" is about 1/2 the thickness of a pencil eraser. Seriously. It never bloomed and I honestly lost it in the mulch. I buried it about 10" deep just to make sure that it survives the cold. I'm just hoping against hope that my English Perfume survives the winter. I've got that one babied as much as I can w/o digging it up & bringing it inside the house.