The second picture does have some large specimens. I'd say they were about 3' high and with long stems. They had some others in smaller pots that were spreading more sideways than up. The area the bigger plants were in was shaded with an almost black shade cloth, much darker than some of the other shade houses. It really does look like the pictures Lin posted and others that I googled, it's hard to imagine that there are a lot of plants that look like this. When I go back to buy it, I'll bug them about a latin name. It probably won't help, few people know the latin names in nurseries here. At least, I'll get the local name and I can google it on MX google and perhaps find more info.