Oh, I avoided them because what I get has worked very well for me (cottonwood, ash and oak). With pine and cedar, its the fear of the 'unknown'. With pine I worry about the organic solvent aspect. The various terpenes and their possible chemical bonding to micro nutrients making them unavailable for uptake?. Also, would they form chemical blockers within the lilium feeder roots? And what about microbial activity--how will that be affected? I avoided cedar because the leafs are alkaline and they can't be avoided with chipping. When I got a mixed load of cottonwood, ash, oak with cedar mixed in with it, it seemed the entire load took nearly twice as long to partially decompose when left in a pile suggesting it might have a negative affect on microbial activity. Rick, he says its white cedar.