Cindi - the one time I ordered from Heirloom, they were little bitty bands. I won't buy bands any more. I can't get them to survive. Mind you, this was back in '09, so maybe they've changed. I did get some minis from "John's Miniature Roses" after Nor'East closed down their retail shop, and they came from Heirloom as well. I love my roses I got from John's, but I hate the fact that they kept on putting my roses on hold & on hold & on hold.. but they were awful quick to run my credit card! 3 of the 4 I got from John's survived. I lost Ernie, but Bee's Knees, Rise n Shine, & Madeline Spezzano survived. I can't remember if I got Pinstripe from them.. I think so now that I think about it & it croaked last year