You know, I think I've been screwing things up for years. I'll have to check, but I've been misidentifying juniper for cedar. I had a tree in my yard, a very old tree (about 45 years old, which is old in our area) that was a haven for hornets & would scratch the living snot out of me every time I walked by it. I hated that tree. I ended up chopping it down (by hand, with a little hand pruning saw, took me about 6 hours). But before everyone starts to groan about how I'm killing everything, I have planted 6 roses by it plus another tree (a Krauter purple plum), and 2 honey suckles there. It was a matter of necessity as I am allergic to that tree (be it a cedar or juniper) and would break out in hives every time I brushed up against it.