Cindi - You want some? I'd be happy to send you some.. I have some new volunteers that are just teeny babies that I found when I was weeding. I haven't killed a single one of these ones. I killed my first 2 Sunshine Bluebeards, but these Dark Knights or Black Knights or whatever they are.. they're practically indestructible. I have a Sunshine that I'm going to see if I can get some cuttings to take and I have a Summer Sorbet that pulled through.