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Aug 21, 2012 9:57 PM CST
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You're right, but OGR's and shrubs don't require grafting and were rarely grafted even when all hybrid teas and floribundas were grafted.

It can make a difference even in shrubs, however. My Kordes fairytale roses (shrubs) from Palatine, which are grafted, are veritable giants, but the own-root nurseries selling them estimate their height at 2-3 feet, and my grafted Austins and Bucks are much larger and healthier than all of the own-root ones I've bought from Chamblee's and Roses Unlimited.

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