OK Changed plans not going to Virginia until Christmas time. I don't think I'm ready to make two 2800 round trip miles a month apart so we opted for Christmas only. But Cheryl don't give up on the seeds I killed a ton of them when I first started Wilfred sent me double batches and I ordered some and killed them all I promise you I will get you set up for the next batch. So you will have success and I also want to give you some of the little ones that I started somehow they are surviving pretty good so hang in there.......Ron...... Melissa Thanks and I understand about not traveling too far but when what you have to look at close is as nice as I'm sure it is where you are then why go anywherre