I lost my Paw Maw when I moved it from the west side of my house to the main back yard. It wasn't a very strong rose, but it was from RU. I'm hoping that I've learned from my mistakes and all will live & thrive for me. One of my thickest roses happens to be Orange Velvet.. a climber I got from RU and it does amazingly well considering how badly I've abused it.. no water, half shade... but those canes are almost an inch thick!