thank you all so much i get it now from what i gather all is well i was about to have a break down thinking i had paid a fortune to kill my dayllies i just get so busy trying to do the right thing by my plants that a great idea to join the daylily club the timing is not good for me as family illness out of town keeps me from any thing except being here but thats a great idea id love to join all this wonderful knowledge that helps others so much thank you melchor