Now that some of our star photographers are watching this thread, I'll hijack it for a minute, Mike, to remind all of you that Sue and I are looking forward with delight to the photos you'll be contributing to the database when the winter doldrums hit. Come on, Vicky, Steve, and Mike. If you have roses for which there are no entries, send me the names in a c-mail and I'll create the entries and send you links to them.