Chelle - I don't classify them as DOA until all their canes are black & brittle. The two RedGolds are 100% DOA. The others.. well, there's just a little bit of green here & there on each one. CoL has one half-green cane, Expressions has a bit of green near the bud union, the NOID is mostly all black (more of a purplish brown), and Angel Face has 2 green canes. So there's hope, but just not much of it.
*sigh*
