thanks Greg, I may be wishing for something that is not out there yet. I mentally picture the ideal of course but I guess I can't assume that the ideal has even been done. After all, that is what I , myself, am trying to accomplish isn't it? Color Tart looks like it could help, possibly, but I need something darker if it is out there. I would settle for creating a very dark plicata for starters and then try for the red beard after that. LOL It seems everyone is on the lavender and pink combos right now and I do love those, but not much is going in in the plics right now. thanks again
