I ORDERED FROM CHAMBLEES out of TEXAS, I THINK, AFTER READING THE GREAT REVIEWS ON THEM AND THEY WERE RIGHT!!! (OOPPS FORGOT TO TAKE THE CAPS OFF, AM NOT YELLING) anyhow, these folks specialize in hard to find product (who needs off the shelf) and their prices are inexpensive, like around $7.50 for a #1 plant, all of which i received today ... POTTED...IN FULL LEAF... AND BLOOMING!! the shipping per item costs as much as the plant and was not thrilled about it, but now i know why, and so ...am thrilled, for real!!....i got all own root... 2 "peggy martin", the rose that survived katrina,with beautifully scented pink doubles... 2 " seminole wind", also a climber... and 2 david austen "tradescant", for much less, like a third, of what david austen charges... all are heavily scented....then i caved and ordered 2 "new dawn" also since i was ordering roses and the blooms are on these...NOW!!! so, although these are rated for colder climes than mine these will sit it out in a garage window for maybe a few more weeks since i'm in cleveland where it's 70 one day and snowing the next.....so IF your looking for great buys on harder to find stock, don't hesitate.....i will accept praise when your new plants arrive.....P.S. THESE ARE SO PRETTY WHEN THEY COME IN I'M GOING TO DO SOME GIFTING