Cinta - I SOOOO agree with you there!! These forums can be quite dangerous for the faint of heart and if you have any weakness at all towards these plants - FORGET it, you'll be hooked! And I love that now I have such variety in my garden! People walk by all the time and they say 2 things - hmmm interesting what are those plants? And Wow your roses are amazing they smell so good! haha and I can't take any credit for the Roses, they are some old type rose with an amazing scent that won't quit! And all I have to do is prune them way back each February! Easy!!