Very helpful info! If the seller/hybridizer was not able to ID them from their known cultivars, it may be hard for anyone to pinpoint with confidence, beyond what you may have identified. Still, I agree with Sharon ... I feel there are similarities, especially to one of Noel Weston's parent plants (Super Valentine). I didn't see Society Belle or True Gertrude Demarest in their current listings, but you must have purchased them a while ago and maybe their cultivars have changed over time, too. Still, I'd be curious if their lists of cultivars might have other potential matches for you to explore if you like ... have you searched there to see if that might be the case?
