DJJohnny - please don't fall for the unscrupulous sellers on eBay, Amazon, & other places that sell "rare" rose seeds with gorgeous pictures but end up sending you Rosa rugosa, which will look NOTHING like the picture!! I posted this a while back as I'm an eBay-aholic & live the 'shopped pictures.
The thread "Caveat Emptor! on eBay" in
Roses forum