Connie I will keep you updated. I've been doing a lot of reading this year and and I have come to the same conclusions that Øystein has. I figure that if certain things are fertile that you could cross them with something possibly related in their heritage. While I'm no expert (barely a novice) it appears that helps. An example is 'Morning After'. It's supposed parents are a pink oriental x henryi var. citrinum so I figured that it should cross back to either an oriental, henryi, or both. It appears that by using henryi pollen and Firebolt (red oriental) pollen, I have two good pods developing. Now it's still early to tell what ultimately happens. Also, tetra trumpet pollen appears to be very fertile on OT's based of some limited experience and what I see in the NALS seed exchange. I've also tried some OT pollen on orientals and am awaiting the results. Really fun and exciting stuff!