I agree, Arlyn. How much further can they go? Some varieties are so ruffled now that it is hard to see the six falls, six standards form. To me they are a novelty iris. And the appendages on some of the space age irises are getting to be almost as big as a fall. With the exception of a true red and a true turquoise iris I don't know how many more 'new' looks can be achieved. We have diamond dusted and gold dusted. I do love some of the luminatas.