I did go to the seminar today and listened to Derek Fell. There is no doubt that vertical gardening is so much more productive growing veggies up instead of out. So many different varieties can be planted on trellises, arbors, or heavy duty wire fencing attached to poles; or up tepees of bamboo - and so on. You get more air circulation; less bugs; less splashing of soil from watering - and even les watering. I have two raised veggie beds. each about 4-1/2 ft long next to each other with heavy duty poles at the back and fence wire attached. Right now my indeterminate tomatoes have covered the "fence". My plan was to have tomatoes on one side and some pole beans on the other. I only have some varieties of peppers in the beds -- just didn't get organized ! The plant I want to look for is Malabar spinach - it grows up beautifully and will cover a fence or trellis; looks lovely and is absolutely delicious. I have tasted it once and after listening to Derek talking about it, I want to grow it.