Greg,
They aren't NOIDS, I know exactly who they are from the pedigrees! And yes both 'Killer' and 'Jungle Shadows' produce some amazing seedlings. i'm going to post a bunch from 'Jungle Shadows' X 'Lilac Time' on the other thread. I was trying to get the lotus form with 'Jungle Shadows' colors but the colors have been even more amazing.
Kevin