@CarolineScott - The salpiglossis are fairly small too, its my first time with them and they were slower than I expected. They are just above the very center of the first pic. There is a full tray of them. Next year I'll start them a month earlier, so that they get potted up to the larger 9oz cups, like the petunias. Actually I think quite a few things would be larger if I had up-potted them, but at this point its a waste of time(and I need to be weeding and bed prepping and planting). They should all get planted out in the next week or two.