Thank-you Margie, those are 2 nice ones.
How tall is your tuteur (The structure you're training the rose on...I think that's how it's spelled)..? Just made me think that I've got a wire one that has no plans right now, but it's only about 6' tall.. I also have a 7' weeping standard that needs a frame/structure to support it... I've *got* to get that puppy in the ground, but can't until I figure out the structure. sigh...