Thanks Rick, that was earlier this Spring and they were still leafing out. These are about 3yrs old so they've got pretty good sized trunks on them. I've got them on the west side of the greenhouse so they don't get the direct sun except for a few hours in the afternoon but that's enough to make the things droop terribly. Usually about 3 or 4 in the afternoon I have to go out and water them unless it was a day to water the plants in the back. I water everything in the back every other day except for my Hydrangeas and Jade plants. Those I check to see how dry they are before watering.