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Jul 27, 2018 3:09 PM CST
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Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
I have to say that it is a torture to watch Mister Lincoln as seen in the short video clip. Torture in sense, as if I wish I could do more for the betterment of Mister Lincoln. Some of the foliages appeared to be "bruised" with some sort of black markings. No blackspot but bruised markings. I already pruned the "dieback" canes as seen below,

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Video clip: https://youtu.be/mGL4Wi8TvKQ

With only two canes left, I wonder, if Mister Lincoln will pull through. I don't know whether I should cut the bud or not because if I don't mind cutting the bud to help the root in directing nutrients for the upper growth instead to the bud. It's disheartening to watch just this one being left behind while others, well established and the new ones, are thriving well. What do you guys think?
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Jul 27, 2018 3:20 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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If this us a recently purchased rose, I would request a replacement or refund.
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Jul 27, 2018 3:20 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
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I think you're overreacting. It's good that you pruned the dieback off. That could stimulate the emergence of new basal canes. Give it another year or two.
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Jul 27, 2018 3:21 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Listen to Zuzu. She really knows roses.
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Jul 27, 2018 5:20 PM CST
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Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
@porkpal: It is a recent purchase, as in 4 months since I planted it.

I agree with your assessment @Zuzu. A year or two, it is!
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Jul 27, 2018 5:26 PM CST
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
I'm with PorkPal. If a vendor had sent me this rose, I would contact them, and request a refund or replacement.

If you choose to stick with it, I would take the precaution of contacting the vendor, and asking what their policy was, re. replacements.
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Jul 27, 2018 10:52 PM CST
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Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
jerijen said:I'm with PorkPal. If a vendor had sent me this rose, I would contact them, and request a refund or replacement.

If you choose to stick with it, I would take the precaution of contacting the vendor, and asking what their policy was, re. replacements.


Thing is, I mistakenly transplanted it, while it was beginning to grow well, into a bigger pot. It suffered from transplant shock and recovering a bit slower than I expected. The dieback incident happened after transplantation. I guess I am partly to be blamed as well. I got it from the David Austin website. All the other roses I got from David Austin are thriving well and starting to bloom. I guess I am gonna stick with Mister Lincoln, and hopefully, in time it grows nice and strong.
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Jul 28, 2018 11:59 AM CST
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
And if it doesn't, well, you learned from the process ... which ain't bad either.
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Jul 29, 2018 4:42 PM CST
Nebraska (Zone 5b)
If most of your roses that you got from David Austin's website are doing well you're doing better than average from that particular vendor, in my experience. I've found their bare root roses particularly susceptible to cankering out and dying fairly rapidly down the canes after planting regardless of what I do, more than other bare root companies. You've done the right things to prune out the dead cane, and don't be afraid to prune it right down to the graft (but don't cut off the graft). It might pull through, but do send the photos and a request for replacement to DA before you're out of their warranty period.
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Jul 29, 2018 8:19 PM CST
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Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
jerijen said:And if it doesn't, well, you learned from the process ... which ain't bad either.


@jerijen: No one couldn't have said it better! It's all a part of the learning experience. My take on growing roses so far is a tiresome often frustrating, but an exciting love affair. The learning part is challenging, and I love myself a good challenge.
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Jul 29, 2018 9:00 PM CST
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Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
nippstress said:If most of your roses that you got from David Austin's website are doing well you're doing better than average from that particular vendor, in my experience. I've found their bare root roses particularly susceptible to cankering out and dying fairly rapidly down the canes after planting regardless of what I do, more than other bare root companies. You've done the right things to prune out the dead cane, and don't be afraid to prune it right down to the graft (but don't cut off the graft). It might pull through, but do send the photos and a request for replacement to DA before you're out of their warranty period.
Cynthia


@nippstress: So far they are thriving well. Hopefully, they continue to grow well. Fingers crossed. I just double checked and the website states that if the plants fail to grow in the first 5 years, DA will offer a replacement. That's assuring, because, if Mister Lincoln doesn't pull through in the next couple of years, I will request for a replacement. Talking about DA roses, The Poet's Wife started to bloom today. I've never seen a rose so yellow and elegant.


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Jul 30, 2018 6:52 AM CST
East TN
I hope your Mr. Lincoln pulls through. Its fragrance and color are so incredible, but I've heard a rumor that most Mr. Lincolns sold now are inferior stock, so I stopped buying and replacing them every year.... I do miss the incredible fragrance, though.
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Jul 30, 2018 9:01 AM CST

Why waste a couple years waiting for that Mr. Lincoln to come around? If you are set on having him then get a new plant and go from there.

I had one once, it grew up, bloomed, and the next day a light breeze came along and all of the petals fell off each rose. Lovely…. I shovel pruned him the next day!! A few months later Dr. Huey came up in his place. I had dug down at least 2 feet to get all of the roots but Dr. Huey still came up. I said if you can live after that you deserve to live. He is alive and well today……
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Jul 30, 2018 11:20 AM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
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My two cents' worth... I think this has been accurately described as transplant shock from having been moved into a different pot while it was beginning to grow well. To be fair, I don't think DA is obligated to replace a rose under those conditions. This is a case of learning from experience. The best time to transplant a rose when it is dormant, and if that's not possible, after it has been thoroughly watered for three days ahead of the transplant.
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Jul 30, 2018 11:23 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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And Mike KNOWS about transplanting roses!
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Jul 30, 2018 12:28 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 6b)
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LOL, perhaps I do have some experience in that area. nodding

Whenever I transplant a rose or any other perennial, one of my goals is to keep as much soil intact around the root mass as possible. But it's nearly impossible to accomplish that with potting soil, because it's not designed to stick together. Instead, it's purposefully made to be loose and well aerated, so it typically just falls away from the roots, and that leads to transplant shock.

It's even difficult to accomplish when the rose is grown in-ground in well-balanced soil. The best I can often hope for is to use a flat, sharpened spade to cut a nice square hole around the root mass (inevitably slicing through some of the longer roots, but not crushing/tearing through them like you would with an unsharpened curved shovel). Then I cut a second, larger hole around the first and remove that portion of the soil, thereby creating an open space around the root mass, like a moat. That allows me to get in there with a serrated trowel or long, flexible bread knife to slice through the bottom of the root mass, making it easier to dislodge.

I always try to get my hands underneath the root mass and lift it up and immediately place it into it's new, pre-dug location in one fell swoop. But I'm still frequently unsuccessful in keeping the soil from falling away from the root mass. In part it's because of the way a rose's roots are formed, but it's also because every rose I've transplanted came from a hole I originally filled with my own soil combination of approximately 1/6 native soil, 1/6 store-bought garden soil, 1/3 peat moss, and 1/3 compost or manure. This combination allows for a soil structure comprised of peds and aggregates that form small clumps, but not sticky clods that glom onto the roots, because there's little clay content. But sometimes I'm successful in keeping the soil intact around the root mass, and that makes for the most successful transplants. After I relocate the rose, I completely fill in the hole with soil around the root mass before watering it; otherwise, the soil would just fall away into the open space if watered.

Of course, if it's a medium to large bush that's being transplanted, I prune back a third to half of the height, to lessen the stress on the plant.
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Jul 30, 2018 5:42 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
@Mike: I agree with your assessment. I may probably not request for a replacement. Cutting back the dieback canes might've encouraged the new basal growth that I spotted yesterday. That gives me hope that Mister Lincoln has better chances of making it. I am going to give it all the time it needs to recuperate. Thanks for sharing your experience of transplanting, I will definitely refer to your post in future when I have to transplant a rose. Reading your experience, I now realize why my Ebb Tide did not suffer from transplant shock, and continued to grow well. With Ebb Tide, I was able to move it with its soil intact in one fell swoop unlike Mister Lilcon.

@pdermer1x: I hope so too. Fingers crossed.

@Toolbelt68: This might sound weird, but I feel a special connection with my roses. I tended and invested a lot of time and effort in raising my roses including Mister Lincoln. I would instead give it sufficient time to recuperate before calling it quits.
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Aug 4, 2018 10:08 AM CST

I too am worried about my "Mr. Lincoln" going thru the same misery. Am hopeful it returns to the beauty it had when I purchased.
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Aug 5, 2018 5:27 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
1msgardnerpa said:I too am worried about my "Mr. Lincoln" going thru the same misery. Am hopeful it returns to the beauty it had when I purchased.


Here is to hoping it does! Mine is showing signs of recovery over the past week. Based on my personal observation in regards to my neighborhood microclimate I believe Mister Lincoln is fussy, doesn't like to be watered more than once (per week), unlike other David Austin roses that are heavy feeders. It sure did took a month for it to show small signs of recovery.
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Aug 6, 2018 11:00 AM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 6b)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Photography Roses Bulbs Peonies
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Shyam,

I inferred from your post that you may have purchased Mr. Lincoln from David Austin Roses. Perhaps you already know this, but it's worth noting that it is not one of the many "English" roses hybridized by David Austin; his company merely sells it in addition to the hundreds of English varieties he is known for. Mr. Lincoln is a hybrid tea rose, whereas most Austin roses fall into the broad classification of "shrub" roses (although many contend that English roses are virtually in a class by themselves). But my point is that Mr. Lincoln will have a different habit from English roses.

Most roses are generally described as "heavy feeders" (compared to many other plants), which refers to the amount of nutrients they absorb from soil and fertilizers, which is not to be confused with how often they need to be watered, since every watering does not need to be accompanied by a liquid soluble fertilizer. Make sense?

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