Plant Database forum: Changing a Plant Name

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Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
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krancmm
May 14, 2012 7:23 PM CST
I understand there are moderators to approve name changes. However, I wonder if the database would be more valid, useful, whatever, if there was a field to list exactly what source was used to propose and validate a name or name change as well as the entry date : e.g. ITIS (2012), The Plant List (2011), TROPICOS, Kew. Everyone would then know the source and the reference date.

Just a thought.
Monica
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
May 14, 2012 7:27 PM CST

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That's true but that information would only really be of benefit to the moderators, as far as I can see, and I think we all generally trust each other enough to expect that the person submitting the information is doing their research.

I could see that once we have grown enough that we have people submitting proposals who we don't even know, that this information would be more important and needed. I do definitely expect that this system will evolve as the contributor number increases.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
May 14, 2012 7:44 PM CST
I like that idea. Thumbs up
Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
Sweat Weather, Not Sweater Weather
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Foliage Fan Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Gulf Coast Multi-Region Gardener Seed Starter
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krancmm
May 15, 2012 6:23 AM CST
I was thinking that the reference would be incorporated into the main entry, along with any synonyms, so everyone could see it.

I've developed a local relational database that also has general info, as well as the ability to track individual plant performance. I've spent a lot of time verifying botanical names and have both common names and synonyms listed so a user can query and get a hit no matter how they enter a plant name. I liked my idea so much that I'm going back and updating my database (only 1500 plants w/o veggies yet) to include reference source and date Smiling

And actually you shouldn't know me! I've only been a member for 2-3 days. But I appreciate the trust.

Monica
Monica
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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dave
May 15, 2012 6:38 AM CST

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I'm certainly willing to add a field where one could enter in the reference for the name. That's the easy part, though. Getting and putting those references in for over half a million plants is the real challenge. Blinking
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
May 15, 2012 10:45 AM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Collectively, we can do it Dave. Thumbs up
Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
Sweat Weather, Not Sweater Weather
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Foliage Fan Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Gulf Coast Multi-Region Gardener Seed Starter
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krancmm
May 15, 2012 5:53 PM CST
Even if the reference/date started with contributors who are recommending name changes, that's a start. Then, as users browse through the database, they could easily update a plant's reference/date/synonyms. I suspect that collectors of particular kinds of plants have that info readily at hand also.

My problem with on-line general data bases (not ITIS, etc) is that I feel that I have to validate each name by checking several sources. I'd love to know exactly what reference was used for the plant's name, how recently that reference was accessed and the synonyms attached to the plant. With the ever-increasing use of DNA analyses rather than morphology to separate or combine genera, and even families, names are changing at a brisk pace.

Of course, this doesn't work well with cultivars because not all cultivars are registered with the ICRAs, and some putative cultivars really aren't - they're marketed by growers to look as if the plant was a cultivar - in effect making a new "common name". But that's for another rant...

Monica


Monica
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Beekeeper Garden Sages Avid Green Pages Reviewer Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
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dave
May 15, 2012 7:18 PM CST

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I do like the idea and we will do this. I'm just not sure how soon I'll get this in because I want to give it some careful thought and sometimes with things like this I have to ruminate over it a bit.

I'm curious, Monica. Do you work in the industry?
Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
Sweat Weather, Not Sweater Weather
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Foliage Fan Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Gulf Coast Multi-Region Gardener Seed Starter
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krancmm
May 15, 2012 9:03 PM CST
Hilarious! No, Dave, I'm a retired Mnneapolis, MN bureaucrat! Although I'd like to think I was Charles Darwin in a previous life.

Just happen to love gardening, plants and research, and have been doing it a long time. Most recently, as a master gardener in Brazoria County, Tx I've edited the newsletter, answer the hot-line, designed a public garden for the library, and continue to work on a thankless-never-seems-to-be-completed relational plant database. With those tasks, and a Faustian penchant for wanting to know everything, I've done a lot of self-directed research. All that is just a pleasant way of saying I'm a plant/naturalist snoop.

Please let me know if I can help out in any way.

Monica






Monica
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Beekeeper Garden Sages Avid Green Pages Reviewer Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
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dave
May 16, 2012 6:07 AM CST

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I'm glad you found your way to ATP! Thumbs up

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