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Name: Cate
Adirondacks NY (Zone 4b)
lyndakerfarms
Jan 8, 2019 9:08 AM CST
This group has excellent taste so wanted to get an opinion.

When we first started our farm, we ordered some very young grafts from a large grower. Most were true to variety but a set of "Meikouhou" tree peony was not. Instead we received some that flowered like Meikouhou and others that were pure white. (none of Meikouhou's typical basal flares).

But all the plants are beautiful, very healthy and grow easily (even in our 4b growing zone). They are now mature (`5 yrs old). A couple of examples:

This one probably is Meikouhou but to be cautious, would not sell as a named variety.
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This one is definitely not Meikouhou but in some ways I like it even more. Many others are similar to this one
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Do you folks think these are pretty enough to sell? I would price them very low - probably <$40? And folks would get a very well-established "surprise" white tree peony.

If I don't sell them, I will definitely keep them as they are beautiful and could be used to line garden paths etc.

Any input appreciated!!!


Name: oscar
beamsville Ontario canada (Zone 6a)
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ol434445
Jan 8, 2019 9:21 AM CST
I think they are Beautiful,
for 40$ I would buy them.
But I am in Canada
Good luck.
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3a)
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anyagoro
Jan 8, 2019 9:34 AM CST
I think both are beautiful and $40 is a very good price for them I would buy them without hesitation but I am in zone 3.
Name: Gary Ray
North Carolina (Zone 7b)
graycrna4u
Jan 8, 2019 10:42 AM CST
I would buy them for that price. Pure white one looks alot like Godaishu.
Name: Cate
Adirondacks NY (Zone 4b)
lyndakerfarms
Jan 8, 2019 10:47 AM CST
All - this is great feedback. I will probably try to add to our July catalog then!! Will just take more thorough pics to show the true range of forms and shades.

Gary - I agree. The 2nd does look very similar to Godaishu.

There's another that is almost indistinguishable from "Renkaku" but to my eye slightly more striking.

Will also monitor these more closely for fertility too. As I believe I remember seeing pollen on some of them. Crossing Fingers!

Name: Craig
Fort Ann, NY (Zone 5a)
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stellablue
Jan 8, 2019 11:08 AM CST
They are definitely beautiful and worth $40! Looking forward to seeing your July photos! Drooling

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ElPolloDiablo
Jan 8, 2019 12:14 PM CST
The second looks like a Renkaku.

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Name: Cate
Adirondacks NY (Zone 4b)
lyndakerfarms
Jan 8, 2019 12:23 PM CST
ElPolloDiablo - yes. there is another one that looks even more like Renkaku than the one in the picture.

It even flowers at the same time as Renkaku. I carefully compared and the only difference I could see was the stamen. If I remember correctly they were much longer.

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ElPolloDiablo
Jan 8, 2019 2:56 PM CST
lyndakerfarms said:ElPolloDiablo - yes. there is another one that looks even more like Renkaku than the one in the picture.

It even flowers at the same time as Renkaku. I carefully compared and the only difference I could see was the stamen. If I remember correctly they were much longer.


The picture I posted is that of a first time bloomer I took several years ago. The plant hasn't grown much in size (it should be about six years since it was grafted) but the flower production is absolutely ridiculous for the size.
Right now it's completely dormant, but if in a few months you need "hands on" measurements I'll be happy to oblige.
The Saviour.
Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
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LizinElizabeth
Jan 8, 2019 8:44 PM CST

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Agreed! Put the pics out there with the fact that it's NOID and on it's own roots—the person lucky enough to be first in line will be getting an incredible deal at the price you're talking about. I'll be fighting Craig to be first in line....
LizB
Name: Craig
Fort Ann, NY (Zone 5a)
Peonies Dog Lover Hybridizer Seed Starter Region: New York
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stellablue
Jan 9, 2019 6:33 AM CST
Liz, I promise you that I will not fight with you over these beauties but possibly over others.😉
At this time I already have three white trees and they all produce multiple seeds. The first photo is similar to my Yue Gong Zhu Guang (Candlelight at Moon):

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Name: Cate
Adirondacks NY (Zone 4b)
lyndakerfarms
Jan 9, 2019 6:53 AM CST
Craig - those area gorgeous!

Did you have those shipped from China? Or were those TPG plants? I find Chinese types harder to find here!
Name: Tracey
Midwest (Zone 5a)
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magnolialover
Jan 9, 2019 7:33 AM CST

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Those are beautiful. A good peony buddy once told me that any tree peony from seed will sell for $30-$40. He said look at all the no named ones that come from China with a bud or two to the mass greenhouses. And certainly you'll have better than those. Smiling

Name: Cate
Adirondacks NY (Zone 4b)
lyndakerfarms
Jan 9, 2019 7:42 AM CST
Magnolialover - that's a very good point. And yes these are better than random seedlings. Flowers are all well-formed and large. Great input!

I have another NOID herbaceous that was sent to me as krinkled white but is soooo much prettier than that.

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I like it so much I plan to propagate it and sell it as a NOID. It's so pretty it needs to be out there in the world!

Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
Jan 9, 2019 8:02 AM CST

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Sorry that I'm late to this party, but I will definitely make an attempt to get one of your Noid tree peonies.

I think people in general appreciate someone who is upfront and state that you don't know the actual name.

I have a gorgeous red tree peony that I am clueless as to the name, but will attempt to propagate in the future.


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Name: Tracey
Midwest (Zone 5a)
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magnolialover
Jan 9, 2019 8:06 AM CST

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I like the petal formation in that one. Prettier in my opinion, than 'Krinkled White".
Name: Cate
Adirondacks NY (Zone 4b)
lyndakerfarms
Jan 9, 2019 8:22 AM CST
Mieko2 said:Sorry that I'm late to this party, but I will definitely make an attempt to get one of your Noid tree peonies.

I think people appreciate In general appreciate someone who is upfront and state that you don't know the actual name.

I have a gorgeous red tree peony that I am clueless as to the name, but will attempt to propagate in the future.


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I absolutely love that red. so so pretty.

If you propagate, I would love to purchase. Also, I do have a similar red but perhaps a different shade? Will dig out the pic later today and post!
Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
Jan 9, 2019 9:16 AM CST

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Hi Cate,
I look forward to seeing your photo. My peony has a crepe-like texture. I can't recall if it had a scent.

I'm fairly certain that I bought it from a vendor at the Nashville Lawn and Garden show that sells potted tree peonies in his booth. They are just listed by color. Sometimes they have an open bloom, which makes it easier to chose. Most likely he buys TP rootstock from China by color.



LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
Name: Craig
Fort Ann, NY (Zone 5a)
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stellablue
Jan 9, 2019 11:15 AM CST
Lyndakerfarms, I purchased it online from Wu's Peony Gardens. She has a great selection and wonderful prices. And every one has been true to name!
I also love your NOID White herbie and very interested!😉
Beautiful red tree LG! I too have a NOID red which I purchased from a local nursery. The petals are not as wavy but just as beautiful.
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Jan 9, 2019 11:27 AM CST
I too have many NOID tree peonies! I have about 7 tree peonies whose names I am not sure about. THough I was able to get possible ids, I am in no way sure that they are what they resemble to. How many NOID tree peonies do you all have?

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