Roses forum: OK, should I get any of these for my yard?

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Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Jan 13, 2019 8:11 AM CST
I need another rose, like I need a hole in my head. However, I have gone gangsta on my garden! I have or am getting rid of roses that are marginal in my yard for several years or that I am just not all that fond of.

I have an Alnwick rose that is just OK. It does not have any scent to me at all. It doesn't really like the heat and is not very floriferous. Typical Austin (with some exceptions) in my yard. He is behind my beloved Vick's Caprice who is starting to get too big for his spot. I was thinking of moving Vick to the spot where Alnwick is and getting some rose for the front of Vick. Or, the most likely of choices, letting Vick get to take over that spot, eventually and leaving things alone (other than removing Alnwick). HMF has Vick as just 3--4 feet but he is starting to get bigger than that.

This is also the last year (I think) that I will keep my Princess Alexandra of Kent. I do love that rose, however, since her transplant, and the new spot she is in has much more sun and heat than the old spot, she has not done well. I am interested in possibly replacing her with the following;

Grandma's Hat
Barbara's Pasture Rose
Homere
Ferdinand Pichard
Mne Louis Leveque
Reine des Violettes
Yolande d'Aragon

The spot where P of K is located gets tons of reflected sun from my white plastic tall fence and is also the sunniest spot in my yard (or one of them). This rose would be able to get at least up to 6 feet (anything taller and I probably would have trouble pruning it) and probably a good 6 feet wide. So smaller than that (but at least 4--5 feet is OK) It needs to be able to take the heat folks! I mean heat up to 116 degrees for several days and a good three to four months of average high in the 100's. I can only water twice a week as well. Mildew is not a problem here except in the winter months.

I am also thinking of putting Roberto Capucci in place of Alnwick and the more I think about this, the better I like it. I need to talk to Pat to see more about the growth pattern of Roberto. I know he does get tall. Just not sure how wide. His color would blend nicely with the roses I have in that bed. I have always wanted another Barni rose. Just the ones I want, they don't sell here in the States unfortunately. I still would love to get a Liola and a Dainty Bess rose as well, but I still think these are just not in the cards for me.

So, any recommendations?
Name: Merlena
Oklahoma (Zone 6b)
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MGKing
Jan 13, 2019 4:32 PM CST
Mustbnuts - Of the ones on your list I only have Reine des Violettes, mine hasn't been overly vigorous, but in your zone I would think it would be. Even without the vigor it's still a good rose, and the blooms are gorgeous and fragrant! Mine is probably about five feet tall and three feet wide.


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Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Jan 13, 2019 9:43 PM CST
Thanks Merlena. That is still a pretty good size! It sure is a pretty rose!
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 14, 2019 2:22 AM CST
Mustbnuts - I hear you about The Alnwick Rose...mine is going to be tossed this spring. I'm getting rid of most of my Austins...they don't like how I grow them. Other than that...I have no advice, but I'll love to follow this post.

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Mustbnuts
Jan 14, 2019 8:51 AM CST
Thanks Carol. I always feel bad (other than when I got rid of my Jude the Obscure) when I get rid of a rose. I am thinking this one has to go. Roberto Capucci would be very pretty in that area. Need to call Roses Unlimited sometime today as I know of no other nursery that carries Barni roses here in the US which is unfortunate. Love their roses. I sure wish I could get this one http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 14, 2019 1:53 PM CST
Mustbnuts - I never feel bad when I get rid of a plant. So, yeah, you should get rid of it. Smiling Oh wowza!!!! Roberto Capucci looks amazing!!! Drool!! I hope you can find it!
Carol
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Jan 14, 2019 7:40 PM CST
I would go with Reine de Violettes! Such a pretty rose! Also, I find it odd that my P of K did well in the sunny spot where it gets morning and afternoon sun, given the number of petals, than it did in the place where it got about 6 hours of sunlight. I guess the Austins don't fair well in triple-digit high heat. Sorry that you have to replace it. I hope you find a different spot for it for it's a gorgeous rose!
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Jan 14, 2019 10:15 PM CST
Thanks Shyam. I will just go into the trash, unfortunately. No space. Most of the Austins don't do well here during the summer.

Carol, I can get Roberto. I can't get the one I have the link in the above post, although I would love that one.

Here is Roberto.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 15, 2019 1:45 AM CST
Oh, drool city!!!! Drooling Lovey dubby Lovey dubby That, I think, is the prettiest peachy rose I've ever seen!!! Holey moley!!!
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
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Kristinelego
Jan 17, 2019 9:55 AM CST
Mustbe, there is just something so delicious about peachy ruffly roses. I think Roberto is just perfection. I wish that I had room for that exact rose.
I grew Sunset Celebration at my last home and everyone stopped to check that rose out over all the othets. Not the same rose but same color. There is just something so special about the peachy colored roses.
Go for Roberto, definitely
You can't plant your new favorite rose if you are still watering your least favorite
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
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Kristinelego
Jan 17, 2019 10:23 AM CST
I just looked up Roberto and it is actually listed as a pink rose. What a chameleon.
I sure wish that I had room for this rose
You can't plant your new favorite rose if you are still watering your least favorite
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jan 17, 2019 1:02 PM CST
You don't have "Grandmother's Hat"
You need it!

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I like 'Ferdinand Pichard' a lot. It was disease-free for me, which is very cool. I lost it years ago, but I would replace it, if I ever get an opportunity to do so.

Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 17, 2019 5:23 PM CST
Wow!! Love your Grandmother's Hat!! Gawjus!!! Lovey dubby

fisherwoman
Jan 17, 2019 6:23 PM CST
If Reine des Violettes is truly thornless it looks like a great rose. I touched one and found out quick it definitely had prickles. On HMF someone said the canes were smooth. Either way, I think want it for one purple rose in the garden .
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Mustbnuts
Jan 18, 2019 5:36 AM CST
I would very much like to get another old rose. Grandmother's Hat scares me a little with its size. I am concerned that it will get too big for the spot. I think it would take our relentless heat and sun OK. Jury is still out as I know that it would take a year before I could plant it (getting it as a band) and maybe POK will shape up during that time. Then I have a huge rose with no where to put it. Ack! Decisions! Decisions!
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Jan 22, 2019 4:56 AM CST
@Mustbnuts I have Ferdinand Pichard growing as a first year bush. The bush is lovely with light green leaves fully covering all the canes. It has bloomed twice already and is getting ready for a third flush. Blooms striped and fragrant...what else! Now it is a mid sized rounded bush about knee high. However I've got no long term experience with it. My Reine des Violettes is a second year bush. It is already waist high. It has very fragrant blooms, a bit sparse in distribution, but possibly because I didn't prune it at all this past first winter here. It is in the back of the bed/border I may have to move it to a sunnier place. I'm not fully convinced that I'm giving it the best care , so it will provide its best. So my not so optimal experience with it , mainly shows my flaws rather than that of the bush....which frequently is at least my experience with my roses... *Blush* ...they teach me patiently and sometimes I reckon being a slow understander. Hilarious!
Arturo
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Jan 22, 2019 7:41 AM CST
Thanks Arturo. I do love the stripes on Ferdinand. Reine is also beautiful. How could you not like that color? Do you know if that color fades to an ugly gray when the flower is spent? This rose would have the prime viewing location in my yard.

Right now, (it could change in a moment), I am leaning towards Roberto replacing Alnwick and Yolande replacing P of K. It is still a hard call between Yolande and Grandmother's Hat. Of course, I also saw pictures of Deuil de Dr. Reynaud. Love the color on that one.

Either Reine, Yolande, Grandma or the Dr., would be next to Maroon Eight, Vineyard Song and Flamingo Dancer. I think Ferdinand would be a bit much there with the other stripes. He would go where I am thinking about putting Roberto. So he would be next to Vick's Caprice and Occhi di Fata.

Ah, so little space and so many beautiful roses to grow!
Name: Virginia
Charleston, SC (Zone 8b)
scvirginia
Jan 23, 2019 7:44 PM CST
What I think I hear you saying is that you want a rose that will stay under 6' tall in California? And the reason it can't be taller is because you would not be able to prune it?

If prunability is the only height limitation, I would suggest a Tea; they mostly don't like being pruned at all (except removing old, dead canes, of course). I think 'Homère' is the only Tea you have listed, and it certainly is a lovely choice.

And I will just oh-so-casually ask how Bourbons do for you? La, la, la, just dropping this link here in case you might be interested... Whistling
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
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Mustbnuts
Jan 23, 2019 10:54 PM CST
Virginia, I have no idea how Bourbons do here. I have none. That is sure a might pretty little rose, you enabler you! Thanks for the link! I would write more but I can barely keep my eyes open. Been busy all day and just go done reading 80 pages on soil. I am bleary-eyed! Will chat more tomorrow after class. Niters!
Name: Virginia
Charleston, SC (Zone 8b)
scvirginia
Jan 23, 2019 11:02 PM CST
80 pages on soil. Makes my eyelids feel heavy just reading that... Smiling

I'm fairly sure that Jeri grows that foundling Bourbon, and it's a good rose for her. Hopefully, she will chime in if she sees this.

Enjoy your class!
Virginia

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