Cactus and Succulents forum: Starting Lophophora Williamsii seeds

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Jan 22, 2019 10:12 PM CST

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Looks like a good setup. Try to sterilize the container and the soil before you sow the seeds. You can spray bleach bathroom cleaner on the plastic, then rinse well with clean water. I like to cook the soil. I typically get it wet (saturated) with purified water and then microwave on low power (15%) until the air in the room starts smelling earthy. Smiling Then let it cool slowly to room temp covered inside the microwave, and rewet to saturation with purified water before sowing seeds. The seeds are pretty small, so young seedlings take a while before they are independent, and in that time you don't want other things growing in that moist, protected environment.

Daytime temps in the 70s are probably good for germination. It can cool down at night as long as it doesn't actually get cold. You don't need to add bone meal or anything else if the soil you're using is reasonably good. At some point down the road, once they have sprouted and gotten big and strong enough to tolerate the lid being lifted, you might consider providing a steady trickle of nutrients. I guess it sort of depends on how much of a hurry you're in, but there's no need to decide that until months from now.

I cannot advise on artificial light as I rely exclusively on natural light for all my succulent seedlings.

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Jan 23, 2019 12:15 AM CST
Welcome!

Along with Baja's suggestions, I would put some holes in the bottom container for drainage and a couple holes in the top for air. I usually germinate my cactus seeds in a north facing window on a seed germinating mat (reptile mat).

The seeds are so tiny, I don't think I would bury them but I don't make my soil flat but rather leave it fluffy so the seeds fall into the cracks. Smiling

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Jan 23, 2019 10:35 AM CST

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I would pop a few holes in the bottom as Daisy suggested but not make any holes in the top. They are not necessary and they will only invite the entry of organisms. To block off the bottom holes when you don't need them (which will be almost all the time, except at the very beginning and then much later when you start watering), place the whole clamshell thing on a clean (ideally sterilized) platter. I like to reuse old plastic lids for that purpose. The bottom holes will be necessary at the very beginning when you water the soil to saturation before sowing the seeds. You want saturated soil at that point but not a lake underneath it, and that's where the holes are useful.

The nighttime temps you are describing are fine.

A south facing window should provide the most light and would be the best alternative.

I look forward to seeing progress reports as you advance in the process.
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Jan 23, 2019 2:58 PM CST

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Ideally water until there's plenty coming out the bottom, that's how you know it's saturated. Let all the water exit the bottom, giving it plenty of time to come out, then put the tray underneath and you're ready to go.
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Jan 23, 2019 8:09 PM CST
The heat mat will heat about 10 degrees above the ambient temperature. If it gets too warm in the daytime, you may want to turn it off.

PS: where did you find seeds?
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Jan 23, 2019 8:23 PM CST
Thank you.
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Jan 23, 2019 8:30 PM CST

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Yonatin said:Baja is that a Aloe Plicatilis in your profile pic?


Yup. Smiling
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Ursula
Jan 23, 2019 8:52 PM CST
Is the source a secret? Reading this it took me about 5 seconds to find it. Would you like me to post it openly?
....I lived about a mile away from the nurseries.....
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Ursula
Jan 23, 2019 8:56 PM CST
Oh I see.
This one?
http://www.kakteen-haage.de/in...

Kakeen Haage is a well known Nursery in Erfurt/Germany.
Walter Haage was one of the early Epiphyllum hybridizers. Some years ago at a visit to my home town, I looked them up, it is a great place to drool over Cacti!
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Jan 23, 2019 9:03 PM CST

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Yonatin said:Did you buy it locally or did you have to order it online? I


Got it locally. It should be reasonably easy from seed if you can't find a plant where you are.
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Jan 23, 2019 9:07 PM CST
I decided not to order.
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