All Things Gardening forum: Endangered species, I learned something today

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Name: Kabby
Lowndesboro, AL (Zone 8a)
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Kabby
Jan 28, 2019 1:19 PM CST
I was reading about my gingko biloba today and saw that it was an endangered species. I'm thinking to myself, how is that possible? They are easy to grow and once they are older they produce plenty of seeds. Further research shows they are a rarity in the wild which made them endangered. Gardeners continue to grow themselves as well as their plants! Hilarious!
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Jan 28, 2019 2:26 PM CST
As far as I know, all the Vanilla in the world, is grown mainly for the bean production & people have them as "houseplants", but to my knowledge, there are no more wild forms found to be growing anymore, at all.
If people continue to collect the Gingko seeds, then eventually it just may happen. Yet I have seen it grown as a shade tree near sidewalks up in Pennsylvania & know of it, growing in a yard, locally. So, can people manage to cause the loss of plants, found in the wild? Most certainly.
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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Gina1960
Jan 28, 2019 4:53 PM CST
Kabby this is common with palms. They may be completely endangered in habitat and grown by people in collections. I have a few like that. Rare in the wild, but not so rare in people's greenhouses and yards
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Name: Kabby
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Kabby
Jan 30, 2019 1:53 PM CST
Gina, my mother grew up in FL and she said the cabbage palm was getting hard to find and that was at least 30 yrs ago. I looked it up and the conservation status is "secure." Perhaps in Jefferson county it's just hard to find. Have you ever had swamp cabbage?

ShawnSteve it's hard for me to correlate endangered with the total existence of the gingko. "An endangered species is a species of wild animal or plant that is in danger of extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range." So to my botanically uneducated mind if it disappears in the wild it's extinct, but there are still many specimens left all over the globe. I read up on the vanilla orchids after your response, eye opening to say the least. Thanks for replying.
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Jan 30, 2019 2:00 PM CST
I have some older Rosewood furniture. But wondered why I could not find much for sale , even already used...Then I read online, some of the species, are already extinct ! Because it is such a beautiful hard wood, it was overharvested until sadly there was no more, of some species, to be found anymore..
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 35 years
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Gina1960
Jan 30, 2019 2:53 PM CST
Same thing has started happening to Allspice wood. When we were in Jamaica in the 1980's all the jerk was cooked over allspice (pimiento) wood. In Los Angeles we used to be able to get small bags of allspice 'smoking chips' . Now its almost impossible to come by.

My husband is a total nut hound, he is addicted to Planters Salted Mixed Nuts. I noticed recently that they have removed the Brazil nuts from the mix. And also noticed that they have skyrocketed in cost for the raw nuts by bulk (I like them). I am wondering if they are becoming scarce.
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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Gina1960
Jan 30, 2019 8:24 PM CST
Oh my @Kabby if you mom wants a Cabbage Palm I have about a hundred on my property! Including one that is getting huge just outside the front door! They are literally all over our town, in all the wooded areas, everywhere
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Name: Kabby
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Kabby
Jan 30, 2019 9:14 PM CST
@Gina1960 don't tempt me lol! When I used to visit my grandmother, that's one of the great foods I remember from down there. Good times!
Name: Gina
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Gina1960
Jan 31, 2019 6:53 AM CST
They are typically very slow growing. The ones out in the woods that are understory to the tall trees can take years to even make a discernible trunk. Sometimes the trunk will grow laterally across the ground until the crown believes it has found a place of direct sun and then it will start going up.
We had a small one mixed in with some needle palms in the very front of our house that had been planted close to a pine tree and a magnolia, these two trees grew to be over 100 feet and were absolutely HUGE. The trunk of the pine alone was over 12 feet at the base. They were WAYYYYY too close to our house....the arborist who approved the permit to remove said that if either one had fallen on the house it would have gone all the way down from the roof to the slab. Just cut the house in two. So we took them both out.
The Sabal palmetto (cabbage palm) that had been beside them was suddenly out in full sun and started growing exponentially fast. Its trunk now almost rivals that of the old pine now, and its fronds are as big as the hood of a car.
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