Daylilies forum: Genetic or nutrient based leaf abnormality

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Alabama
clockworkhawkins
Feb 3, 2019 12:46 PM CST
This little guy is different. I grew over 100 indoors this winter and well just look at how the leaves are streaking all of my dayliliess are growing in similar conditions but this one is producing streaks. is this a nutrient deficiency or genetic? here are comparative photos . leaves held against normal pigmentation in another seedling.
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Name: Mike
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Feb 3, 2019 1:09 PM CST
This is where I would call on @sooby and @ Admmad to chime in. If I had to guess I would say nutrient deficiency.
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Alabama
clockworkhawkins
Feb 3, 2019 1:18 PM CST
im hoping for a chlorophyll mutant but who knows maybe just the soil etc
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Feb 3, 2019 2:11 PM CST
Do you know what the pH of the potting mix is? Is it all the leaves on the plant, or did it start on the oldest or the youngest?
Alabama
clockworkhawkins
Feb 3, 2019 3:33 PM CST
ph 6.5 all leaves display trait.
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Feb 3, 2019 3:59 PM CST
If it's all leaves and if they've done it from the get-go and it's the only one affected out of many, I would say it has some kind of quirk that causes either a nutrient deficiency or something that looks like one. If there were others doing it then that would be more suggestive of a general nutritional problem. It wouldn't necessarily need to be all because daylilies can vary by cultivar as far as being affected by pH driven nutrient deficiency is concerned.

So I don't know if giving it any particular nutrient would help that one if it has a problem under conditions that don't affect others. Normally if the pH is higher than about 6.5 and it starts on the newest leaves you would assume iron and/or manganese deficiency with those stripes. If the pH was more acidic and the problem started on the oldest leaves first you would consider magnesium deficiency first.

Are you using a fertilizer that has micronutrients and also includes magnesium?
Alabama
clockworkhawkins
Feb 3, 2019 6:18 PM CST
please explain the magnesium and iron alterations curious as to why magnesium effects old leaves over new ones. yes the fertilizer does contain micro nutrients including iron,copper, and manganese
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Feb 3, 2019 8:34 PM CST
When elements become in short supply the plant may move them from the older leaves to where they are needed (the new growth). Not all elements are mobile in a plant, so those nutrients stay put and thus new growth is directly affected by the deficiency. The result of this is that with a mobile nutrient that the plant translocates to the new growth, the old growth will be where the deficiency signs appear first. When a nutrient is not mobile, the plant can't move it and so it is the new growth that shows the deficiency symptoms first. So where the symptoms start combined with the visual appearance gives a clue as to which nutrient is deficient.

In the case of iron, manganese and most other micronutrients another clue would be the pH. The higher the pH the less available most micronutrients are.

If your fertilizer doesn't include magnesium (a lot don't) and the potting mix did not have dolomitic limestone, then you could try giving the streaky one a little Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) to see if that makes a difference.
Alabama
clockworkhawkins
Feb 3, 2019 10:12 PM CST
sweet! very cool didn't know that! I will try it out!

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