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Name: Mac
Soon to be MidCoast, ME (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
Critters Allowed Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Annuals Morning Glories Sedums
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McCannon
Feb 17, 2019 7:48 PM CST
We've done the same, Ann. The only incandescent lamps we have now are the floods on the back of the house, which we seldom use. I need a 25' ladder to reach them.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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crawgarden
Feb 17, 2019 8:07 PM CST
The entire house has been switched over with the exception of the garage, just gets too cold during the winter, the cfl's work fine albeit a little slow for illumination.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Name: Mac
Soon to be MidCoast, ME (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
Critters Allowed Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Annuals Morning Glories Sedums
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McCannon
Feb 17, 2019 8:14 PM CST
Mrs found a quick-buy on Amazon a couple years ago and got some clear glass 48" T8 LEDs for relatively cheap. They run directly off of 115 so no ballast required. I re-lamped the basement, garage, and lean-to fixtures with them. Instant-on regardless of the temperature.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 17, 2019 8:26 PM CST
I have heard about those Mac. I have a friend in Idaho whose hubby installed those in their shop/garage/BIG metal building last year & instantly fell in love with them.


I also wanted to mention hot water heaters. Hybrid HWH to be exact. You might hear them called heat pump water heaters. When our traditional HWH was giving up the ghost, we opted to install a hybrid HWH. In our particular instance, we had to move the location of the HWH from a closet inside the house to the garage no matter what kind we got. Except for the worst portion of winter (remember I live in FL), we do great switching the function to straight heat pump mode. Ha, ha! It's like an A/C for the garage! Hilarious! Keeps the garage close to 10 degrees cooler plus drops the humidity level in there.
You don't want to be putting one of these inside your house though. The fan for the heat pump runs & makes a certain noise like a fan that I doubt you would want to hear coming from some closet in your house. If you have a basement, that is a good place to put them though.
Here's a decent article comparing the tankless water heaters with the hybrid water heaters.
https://georgebrazilplumbingel...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Mac
Soon to be MidCoast, ME (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
Critters Allowed Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Annuals Morning Glories Sedums
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McCannon
Feb 17, 2019 10:33 PM CST
We have natural gas service here so our HWH is gas fired as is the house heating system and kitchen stove. But it's worth noting that heat pump systems are made for more than just heating water. We are looking at installing a heat pump cooling system when we get the new house built. It's electric, mounted outside the house and has individual units installed in the larger rooms, in the ceilings in our case. Rather than ducting cool air the system uses an inert gas pumped to each indoor unit. We'll get an energy credit for installing it. Dual purpose units are available that both heat and cool but the heating function is less effective at very low temps.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Elsa
Las Cruces, New Mexico (Zone 8a)
Region: New Mexico Region: United States of America Irises Region: Southwest Gardening Dog Lover
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GreenIris
Feb 18, 2019 12:06 AM CST
I know that there is so much more I could do than I currently do but I am trying to get my mind around not over consuming. For instance I buy too many clothes. We all need clothes but I buy too many " I wants" versus " I need" So as someone earlier mentioned, I too am trying to use things until they are truly worn out. Also I too love the LED lights. They really seemed to drop the electric bill too.
I think the people who grow Irises are about as special as the flower itself!
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a studio potter.
Hummingbirder Dog Lover Irises Region: California Organic Gardener Dahlias
Garden Art Cat Lover Vegetable Grower Birds Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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janwax
Feb 18, 2019 11:18 AM CST
GreenIris said:I know that there is so much more I could do than I currently do but I am trying to get my mind around not over consuming. For instance I buy too many clothes. We all need clothes but I buy too many " I wants" versus " I need" So as someone earlier mentioned, I too am trying to use things until they are truly worn out. Also I too love the LED lights. They really seemed to drop the electric bill too.


Elsa, I can truly relate to your post!
let the mystery be
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Feb 18, 2019 2:31 PM CST
I tried to make some sense, out of the situation about all that plastic garbage at sea. I looked up International water boundaries & apparently that extends as far out as two hundred nautical miles from shore. Then maybe it falls under the UN category of laws? I had thought it was 300, but, it is 200 nautical miles.
The economic zone ( or "territorial" ) for the waters off the Coast extend out 12 nautical miles, measured from shore at mean low water level... I am uncertain if it impedes International shipping zones, into & out of our sea ports or may be a nuisance to U.S Naval Operations of vessels too, eventually, if it gets too close to San Diego. But it boggles my mind. as to how much is out there, floating around in the Pacific, in a huge mass...It isn't just disgusting but could be a nuisance & possibly a hazzard. If it floats ashore, or not, it still would would be an expensive " environmental clean up"..... edited, as I forgot if it was "economic, zone or territorial waters"
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Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a studio potter.
Hummingbirder Dog Lover Irises Region: California Organic Gardener Dahlias
Garden Art Cat Lover Vegetable Grower Birds Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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janwax
Feb 18, 2019 2:54 PM CST
Good point, Shawn. What happens when it becomes a REAL nuisance - i.e. when people have to LOOK at it !
let the mystery be
Name: Will Currie
Hoke co NC (Zone 8a)
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UncleWill
Feb 18, 2019 7:43 PM CST
Out of sight out of mind. We can't keep sweeping it under the rug, we're running out of carpet!
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a studio potter.
Hummingbirder Dog Lover Irises Region: California Organic Gardener Dahlias
Garden Art Cat Lover Vegetable Grower Birds Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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janwax
Feb 18, 2019 7:56 PM CST
The Wall would prevent access to food and water for many endangered species and other wildlife; the jaguar, the roadrunner, others.
let the mystery be
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 18, 2019 8:30 PM CST
Here are some good articles detailing the threats to species & environment.

https://www.biologicaldiversit...

https://earth.stanford.edu/new...

https://www.ucsusa.org/center-...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Lilli
Lundby, Denmark, EU
Irises Roses Bulbs Hellebores Foliage Fan Cottage Gardener
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Seed Starter Winter Sowing Bee Lover Dog Lover Region: Europe
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IrisLilli
Feb 19, 2019 6:40 AM CST
Interesting that you should mention that Jan, I was just readig this in Scientific American:

https://www.scientificamerican...

More links on the ecological consequences:
https://www.nationalgeographic...
https://www.inverse.com/articl...
You don't know if it will grow until you try!
Name: Mac
Soon to be MidCoast, ME (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
Critters Allowed Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Annuals Morning Glories Sedums
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McCannon
Feb 19, 2019 6:53 AM CST
Without getting too political, one has to believe in the science. The driving force behind building the wall does not.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Will Currie
Hoke co NC (Zone 8a)
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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UncleWill
Feb 19, 2019 7:46 AM CST
One need look farther than Bikini Atoll to see that political decisions have environmental consequences.
Southern Ohio (Zone 6b)
Save the cows
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hippie
Feb 19, 2019 9:13 AM CST
as individuals, we all need to do our part, and then try to educate others.
Iris Grower and Hippie Lives Matter
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a studio potter.
Hummingbirder Dog Lover Irises Region: California Organic Gardener Dahlias
Garden Art Cat Lover Vegetable Grower Birds Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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janwax
Feb 19, 2019 5:42 PM CST
IrisLilli said:Interesting that you should mention that Jan, I was just readig this in Scientific American:

https://www.scientificamerican...

More links on the ecological consequences:
https://www.nationalgeographic...
https://www.inverse.com/articl...


Thanks for the links, Lilli !
let the mystery be
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 19, 2019 9:42 PM CST
'Our little brown rat': first climate change-caused mammal extinction

https://www.smh.com.au/environ...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 21, 2019 11:39 AM CST
Call or email companies who send you paper catalogs & request they remove you from their mailing list. I am having to do this on average twice a week these days. I didn't ask for them, I have never ordered from these companies but somehow I ended up on a list & now I'm getting all kinds of catalogs. We can all go online & visit the websites, we don't need them sending junk to our mailboxes. Sure we can recycle the catalogs but let's discourage printing them in the first place.

Don't you wish there was a Do Not Mail list like the Do Not Call list? I am going to contact Alexandria Occasio-Cortez about this. I am not a constituent of hers but she is so into the whole green thing that I think she would be the best chance of taking up something like this.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Lilli
Lundby, Denmark, EU
Irises Roses Bulbs Hellebores Foliage Fan Cottage Gardener
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Seed Starter Winter Sowing Bee Lover Dog Lover Region: Europe
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IrisLilli
Feb 21, 2019 11:54 AM CST
A Do not Mail list could definitely work, it does here and a lot of people get their newsletters and catalogues exclusively online now. It's better for the environment and the companies save a bunch too, because electronic marketing is much cheaper.
You don't know if it will grow until you try!

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