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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 21, 2019 11:58 AM CST
I am so glad to hear that Lilli! Frankly, I don't understand why in the world these companies are printing & mailing these things. It must cost them a fortune! I can't imagine them getting return on their investment. Shrug!
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Name: Will Currie
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UncleWill
Feb 21, 2019 12:32 PM CST
I would strongly support a "do not mail" initiative. 90% of what shows up in my box is unwanted junk that I can't compost or recycle here.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Feb 21, 2019 1:04 PM CST
I have seen "Amazon" mentioned rather frequently. Why would a huge Company, take about ten years, time, to try to eventually attempt to reduce their "carbon footprint" ? I "get it" about electric vehicles, but all the rest of it, with so much shipping involved? I think they could immediately afford, to start reduction, & easily "afford it", to do it, too..
The whole global "ecosystem" is intertwined, from salinity in Oceans, to excess water "runoff" , volcanic activity ( Mt. ST. Helens blew & that was a cool summer) "heat island " effects - cities being warmer, than urban, or forested areas, etc...
The temperature readings in the Tidewater Bay area, vary...depending on if it is downtown near Air & Space Museum, , or, near Williamsburg, VA- where it registers consistently hotter there in summer. No idea why...
Sometimes the weatherman admits, it is a "false" reading. Or it gets omitted, completely as due to being "broken". Some times, I think they actually "adjust" the temperatures reported, to make them more accurate.
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ShawnSteve
Feb 21, 2019 1:35 PM CST
What it comes down to, is reduction in CO2 . I am not so certain, everyone is ready to begin paying "carbon foot print taxes" quite yet....especially if measured inequitably...
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McCannon
Feb 21, 2019 2:23 PM CST
What we need the most is to get a lot more people onboard with the fact that climate change is happening and we are responsible for it. We can do our part in whatever way is possible for us but a lot of money gets in the way of progress.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 21, 2019 4:01 PM CST
You are absolutely correct Mac!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



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ShawnSteve
Feb 22, 2019 9:09 AM CST
Apparently, the temperature is increasing as measured, on a global scale, where it is recorded. The last four years, of which have supposedly been "the warmest on record". But where I live, there haven't been any "heatwaves" & winters were a bit more harsh than usual. Except, for this winter, which barely had much hard frost & one deep freeze, of fairly short duration. No measurable snowfall. So, this winter here, has been warmer, overall, than usual as of this date, but winter isn't quite over with. The last frost can be as early as the start of March. Which some call meteorological spring...
Pardon my grammar, about Arctic, as an old cement street post I repeatedly used as a landmark to know what street number I was at ( was cast, in error- Artic Ave.) near the Ocean front, got imprinted into my memory...

My question is; Has your temperatures changed much, where you live, over the past four years?
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hippie
Feb 22, 2019 11:20 AM CST
ShawnSteve said:Apparently, the temperature is increasing as measured, on a global scale, where it is recorded. The last four years, of which have supposedly been "the warmest on record". But where I live, there haven't been any "heatwaves" & winters were a bit more harsh than usual. Except, for this winter, which barely had much hard frost & one deep freeze, of fairly short duration. No measurable snowfall. So, this winter here, has been warmer, overall, than usual as of this date, but winter isn't quite over with. The last frost can be as early as the start of March. Which some call meteorological spring...
Pardon my grammar, about Arctic, as an old cement street post I repeatedly used as a landmark to know what street number I was at ( was cast, in error- Artic Ave.) near the Ocean front, got imprinted into my memory...

My question is; Has your temperatures changed much, where you live, over the past four years?


No heat wave here, in fact, we have had cold winters (extreme cold last winter) and mild summers the last 4 years. We have had excessive precipitation the last 2 years.
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Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Feb 22, 2019 11:28 AM CST
That's strange, as the precipitation has gone up, here, also. So, if the average increase is about 1.5 degrees warmer, then the additional warmth, may contribute to the ability of the atmosphere to hold a greater amount of humidity. Possibly resulting in more precipitation?
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IrisLilli
Feb 22, 2019 12:40 PM CST
From a climate change perspective, it is the long term temperature rise, which is of most concern:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

An even more immediate concern is rising ocean temps:
https://www.iucn.org/resources...

...and it could be worse than previously predicted:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/sc...
You don't know if it will grow until you try!
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Feb 22, 2019 1:55 PM CST
Our winters, for the most part have got milder, the summer temps have gone up and the tropical dew points have went up. Looking at the lines of weather that go through they seem to be much more extreme and wide spread.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
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Name: Rj
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crawgarden
Feb 22, 2019 2:06 PM CST
https://www.reddit.com/r/datai...
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Name: Mac
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McCannon
Feb 22, 2019 3:14 PM CST
Very informative data on that chart, Rj. Those denying climate change would probably have trouble understanding the significance.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
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robertduval14
Feb 22, 2019 3:15 PM CST

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but President Trump says it's a hoax...a lie made up by China.
Name: Mac
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McCannon
Feb 22, 2019 3:25 PM CST
We don't have an emoji available to respond to the denier-in-chief Whistling .
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 22, 2019 5:39 PM CST
crawgarden said:https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/ataimc/the_warmest_and_coolest_months_since_1880_oc/


That's pretty eye opening! Great graphic there.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Will Currie
Hoke co NC (Zone 8a)
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UncleWill
Feb 22, 2019 6:34 PM CST
I don't have hard data but I've noticed warmer than normal temperatures in mid winter followed by weather patterns returning to more range just prior to spring. This has caused the loss of wild fruit that wildlife depends on. We've had no measurable frozen precipitation so far this year, a bit unusual.
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 22, 2019 7:06 PM CST
I can't really speak to where I live since we only moved here 7 or 8 years ago. That's the only history I have knowledge of for here. I can say that where we moved from --- Palm Beach & Martin Counties on the east coast of FL --- Oh yeah, things have changed down there. We grew up there & spent the majority of our lives there. Summers are absolutely hotter -- a lot hotter and winters are colder or maybe saying winters are colder is not correct. Winters down there now have some super cold snaps that are abnormal. Cold enough to freeze the bird baths.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Mac
Soon to be MidCoast, ME (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
Critters Allowed Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Annuals Morning Glories Sedums
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McCannon
Feb 22, 2019 7:13 PM CST
Good point, @UncleWill. We're seeing that too. We get snow and ice but at lower levels than normal. I recall that one of the things that climate scientists are reporting on is a major shift in weather patterns, far outside the norm, around the globe. Some of what we're experiencing may be unusual but not necessarily abnormal if considered over a long time period. That alone is hardly proof that climate change and global warming isn't happening.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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ShawnSteve
Feb 22, 2019 7:48 PM CST
I hope people aren't taking my question, to be any way construed as a statement in denial of climate change, or global warming., at all, whatsoever.
I am simply asking, a question, about any changes you have noticed over these past four years, with all of these warmest years on record ( measured globally) happening over the past four years. I am not requesting daily accurate measurements, such as was done by President Thomas Jefferson at Monticello...
I am only asking for a general observation, of your local weather/climate that you have noticed over the past four years, where you live.

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