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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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flaflwrgrl
Feb 22, 2019 7:51 PM CST
ShawnSteve said:I hope people aren't taking my question, to be any way construed as a statement in denial of climate change, or global warming., at all, whatsoever.
I am simply asking, a question, about any changes you have noticed over these past four years, with all of these warmest years on record ( measured globally) happening over the past four years. I am not requesting daily accurate measurements, such as was done by President Thomas Jefferson at Monticello...
I am only asking for a general observation, of your local weather/climate that you have noticed over the past four years, where you live.

No problem. I did not take your question to be anything other than what it is.


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Name: Mac
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McCannon
Feb 22, 2019 8:00 PM CST
@ShawnSteve, I can't help you since I don't pay a lot of attention to, or track, local weather conditions. Having lived in a variety of climate zones and traveled all over the country on a more or less continuous basis for several years, I just accept the weather as it happens. If you don't mind my asking, is there a particular reason why you're looking at a 4-year snapshot?
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janwax
Feb 22, 2019 8:36 PM CST
Mac, we in California have had to pay attention to the Un-acceptable conditions in this much-loved state. First, years of unusual drought, then unusually high temps, then freaking horrible wildfires that wiped out a whole city not far from us, and major destruction of houses in Santa Rosa, and elsewhere, including S.CA.
We need more than rakes .
let the mystery be
Name: Mac
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McCannon
Feb 22, 2019 8:52 PM CST
@janwax, We spent a lot of time in CA in our travels and saw first hand a lot of what's happened to that very beautiful state. I think you're in a direct line-of-fire, weather-wise. I don't think rakes are the answer but I do thing PG&E should be held responsible for their part in the recent fires.
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hippie
Feb 23, 2019 5:43 AM CST
flaflwrgrl said:
No problem. I did not take your question to be anything other than what it is.




same here buddy.
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ShawnSteve
Feb 23, 2019 8:22 AM CST
I am just asking the question, due to the very nature of the measurements, of the last four years, being the hottest recorded globally, to find out how it has affected you, where you live. Plain & simple. Some, are obviously more affected than others. As there is a wide range of Iris growers across the U.S I should think it relevant information, to all of us.
I know we can't stop exhaling., after every breath we take... but the human population is a big reason, for the cause in rise of Carbon dioxide, from what I understand. As for China, their population is immense & I have seen news footage in the past, of just how bad it can get. Worse than I ever saw in Los Angeles, from car exhaust....
btw Consumer Reports that the Tesla 3 model, was not recommended, so it is back to the drawing board, with more research & development, with that "progress".
Name: Will Currie
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UncleWill
Feb 23, 2019 3:05 PM CST
The elephant in the climate change room is over population. The planet seems to do well as long as we keep the world's population at about a billion or so souls. I'm not sure how we can get the numbers down, but we can't keep multiplying exponentially. How can we when society and biology esteem reproduction as the ultimate good? It's emotionally painful not to reproduce for most people even though by doing so the demands placed on the planet may be unsustainable.
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ShawnSteve
Feb 23, 2019 3:18 PM CST
@UncleWill You mean the population of China, has already surpassed that billion persons mark & the earth can no longer support all the rest of us, on the planet? That was what the "one child" policy was supposed to be about...
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McCannon
Feb 23, 2019 3:31 PM CST
Despite The End Of China's One-Child Policy, Births Are Still Lagging
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16...

Population control is also a personal as well as religious issue that I will sidestep to avoid creating any sort of conflict. Suffice it to say that I have 1 child by choice, and my partner has 2, her choice, all adults. My parents had 4, her's had 5.
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JuniperAnn
Feb 23, 2019 6:30 PM CST
My grandmother wanted 4 children and had 11. My mother wanted 3 and had 5. I wanted 2 and had 2. This was partly due to improved technology, but far more due to me rejecting the deeply misogynistic religion of my birth. Considering how critical population control is to combating global warming, and how opportunities for women and women's fertility rates are inversely correlated, I find it interesting and motivating to consider that spreading feminism may be one key to the survival of humanity. We cannot afford to let little girls in any corner of the world be raised to think that their only (or most important ) value is as breeding livestock for men to use.
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Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Feb 23, 2019 7:23 PM CST
Thanks, for sharing this thread. It is the topic of the times. Something I have not seen brought up through all the political views is history. Also the solar minimum and how this has effected the past of this planet over and over again. The universe is vast and electric. The weather patterns on mars have changed also. We on planet earth are not just politics and carbon whatevers to be taxed. It is extremely important for all of humanity to understand the cyclical nature of the past history. It has NOTHING to do with Russia Rolling on the floor laughing Earth has been warmer, but a lot of history shows how covered in ice it can be. Faster than most scientist will even break out of their comfort zones to discuss. Mammoths with buttercups frozen in their mouths for example.
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McCannon
Feb 23, 2019 7:52 PM CST
@JuniperAnn Another aspect is that with modernization a farming family no longer needs a lot of children to do all the manual labor, tending to animals, working in the fields and such, unlike our ancestors. Thank you for bringing up the religious aspect, something I try to avoid discussing because it can be a very touchy subject. But that does factor into the overall population count. And as a man, and on old one at that, I can still be a very devout feminist.

@Esperanza I doubt you will find a climate scientist anywhere that doesn't understand the cyclic nature of climate. It's been proven that many species have disappeared as a result of cyclic change. The concern is that we are headed toward one of those events that may well kill off most of the existing species, including humans. The climate may well cycle back to some previous stable conditions but it can take millions of years for that to happen.
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Esperanza
Feb 23, 2019 8:55 PM CST
McCannon said:

@Esperanza I doubt you will find a climate scientist anywhere that doesn't understand the cyclic nature of climate.


Real scientist of course acknowledge this but many have a slant and their view has been bought and paid for. I never see mainstream news talk about how the sun effects our climate. I hear talking points by paid "scientist" to say I am bad human and it is my fault this happened. It gets really deep is the problem. Cosmic events have always been wrapped in religious and political stories. Depending on the community you are selling to, Charles Darwin and God are all employing different scientist. So, it makes it really hard to talk about. Not trying to argue or anything. I was enjoying the thread and that people care about things like a giant plastic death zone in the pacific ocean. I wish the media would stop hypnotizing people to care about people who pretend to be other people and just really say what is what. No left No right No wars disguised as humanitarian help..... *Blush* I get carried away
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UncleWill
Feb 23, 2019 9:31 PM CST
China passed a billion long ago. I was suggesting we should strive for a worldwide population of 1 billion, about a seventh of the current total. I fear it's an impossible goal and one that can only be deliberately achieved ethically by choice, any coercion would be morally untenable. Nature has the potential to achieve the reductions needed via plague, starvation etc. Hopefully large scale war can be avoided (small scale conflicts are already taking place partially due to changing environmental conditions). None of these options are pleasant to contemplate so I fear for the young people I dearly love.
Name: Mac
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McCannon
Feb 23, 2019 9:51 PM CST
I don't see population control happening, Will. We as a country can't reach an agreement on whether climate change is even happening so I'm doubtful any agreement could be reached worldwide on population control. We will reach a point where we can no longer feed the people in countries like our own, let alone those with few local food sources. But if things progress as the scientists are predicting it won't matter. My prime concern is for my grandchildren and the world they will inherit and everyone else's grandchildren as well. I'm not convinced we can shield them from the future.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Feb 23, 2019 10:03 PM CST
https://www.bing.com/search?q=...
Look through these articles. The most alarming part for me is that a lot of countries consider a human body(soul) is just an economic tool.

When you get into eugenics and who should live or die. Well, Bill Gates and all the like of wealthy philo babes have that taken care of. Crying
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Esperanza
Feb 23, 2019 10:09 PM CST
Also speaking of China. Do a little reading on when and how the Dynasties fell. It directly correlated to the climate.
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McCannon
Feb 23, 2019 10:11 PM CST
I'll get to the search in a bit.

I doubt seriously that "Bill Gates and all the like of wealthy philo babes" would have any idea about how to grow a vegetable garden or milk a cow without outside help. They are just as susceptible to a food or water shortage as everyone else in the long run.
The aboriginal people of the world and many other cultures share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Feb 23, 2019 10:24 PM CST
McCannon said:I'll get to the search in a bit.

I doubt seriously that "Bill Gates and all the like of wealthy philo babes" would have any idea about how to grow a vegetable garden or milk a cow without outside help. They are just as susceptible to a food or water shortage as everyone else in the long run.

I agree! I consider him an his ilk as a virus that doesn't understand that once it kills its host it will no longer be able survive. ponerology at its finest!
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JuniperAnn
Feb 23, 2019 10:31 PM CST
Esperanza, are you referring to Willie Soon, who's been denying anthropocentric global warming because Exxon Mobile, the American Petroleum Institute, and the Koch brothers' foundation gave him $1.25 million to do so? Because it seems like you have your facts a little backwards.

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