Cactus and Succulents forum: Echeveria Winter Damage

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Name: Rune
Ruhr Valley, Germany (Zone 8a)
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Ruwo
Feb 15, 2019 2:44 AM CST
Hi! I'm still a freshman in gardening and I was wondering if anyone could please help me out with my echiveras..
So the thing is, i planted my echiveras on my balcony last summer. Back than I didn't know they were echiveras though. I thought they were some sort of sempervivums. Anyway, so they luckily survived the winter despite the heavy frost(18°F), but of course they look rough, see attached my photos. However as the damage can't be reversed, I was wondering now if at least I can do something, that will help them survive? Hopefully they're not lost. Thanks in advance!
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DaisyI
Feb 15, 2019 11:41 AM CST
Welcome!

There's nothing you can do but wait. Not being a pile of mush is a good sign.
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Name: tarev
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tarev
Feb 15, 2019 12:02 PM CST
Hello Ruwo, just keep them dry and with continued bright light access. Enjoy the leafcolor changes for now as it gets cold stressed, not much to do for it.

Expect it to continue dropping the outer older lower leaves. Do not panic when it does that. It is trying to sustain what it can. As long as the center rosette stays alive and no mushy part it will endure.

I read again your post and you said it is in your balcony, then just try to keep it dry there with continued bright light access. . Echeverias, as most members of the Crassula family can tolerate down to 30F (-1C) but it has to be kept drier.

It is growing with your Sempervivum arachnoideums. Thankfully a bit similar growing conditions. Just do minor clean up on your plants, if there are lots of old brown leaves already, gently twist them off.

Later on when you may get bloomstalks for your Echeverias, that is a nice event to see. At least Echeverias are not monocarpic, so plant lives on. Sempervivums when it blooms later, that is a downhill start, just the natural nature of the plant.

Good luck with your plant. Keep us posted how it goes come Spring time! Smiling
Name: Rune
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Ruwo
Feb 15, 2019 12:58 PM CST
Thanks very much for your help!! I will follow your advice and keep you guys updated hope they are going to recover Whistling
Name: Karen
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plantmanager
Feb 15, 2019 1:12 PM CST
@Ruwo, :welcome:! Good luck with it.
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BlueOddish
Feb 15, 2019 1:18 PM CST
Do you happen to know which Echeveria those are (or if not is it possible for you to maybe ask the people at the place you bought them)? Because that would be VERY valuable information for zone-pushers like me.

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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Feb 15, 2019 1:24 PM CST
They look like pulidonis and perle von nunberg/Both species are very common in wholesale here.
They are most commonly not labeled, and mostly only with genus....
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Name: Rune
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Ruwo
Feb 15, 2019 1:59 PM CST
@BlueOddish unfortunately I didn't purchase them, I got them as a gift, they were part of a flower arrangement. However I guess @skopjecollection is correct, especially the purple one looks pretty much like the pearl of Nuremberg. But I let you all know how they are coping with our climate, so far it looks like they can survive short periods of Temp's below 20°F. Obviously, they weren't too excited about the frost.. If I had known that, I would have brought them inside. D'Oh!
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plantmanager
Feb 15, 2019 2:01 PM CST
Sempervivums love growing outside in your climate. Do you have any of those?
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Name: Rune
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Ruwo
Feb 15, 2019 2:20 PM CST
Yes I have planted the echivera together with two different kind of sempervivums. They survived the winter much better. Does anybody know if there are any sempervivum varieties with a comparable size? Confused
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plantmanager
Feb 15, 2019 2:25 PM CST
Wonderful! Yes, there are very tiny semps, and there are some that get very large. What I love is that they all have different coloration depending on the season.

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skopjecollection
Feb 15, 2019 2:31 PM CST
There are giant cultivars, yes . Ive also seen some pretty wide tectorums(at least 20 cm wide). Think calcareum also makes larger rosettes. However, sempervivums are monocarpic, so the larger they get, the more likely they are to bloom. When they bloom they die. On average, most semps will still be smaller than echeverias. There are also the fuzzy species like arachnoideum , along with their cultivars, which have smaller rosettes, but clump more easily. The thing about sempervivum is not their size, but their ability to clump and grow on rocks. I am particularly fond of red colored ones.

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This one was not remarkably large(roughly 7-8 cm), but its bloom spike still persists since last july.
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My personal advice is to try at hardy cacti , specifically echinocereus and opuntiads. Ive heard they do quite well over there in germany, as well as you may have a better selection than here.
My hardy opuntia humifusa blooms every year:

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cwhitt
Feb 15, 2019 2:44 PM CST
Those leaves look pretty firm to me - I too think it will survive and turn back to its original color - I think that is its' "cold weather" color. I expect you will lose the two outer rows of leaves though. And I see you do also have some semps in that planter - at some point I would clean up those dead, brown leaves, for appearances sake, but your semps look good.
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Name: Rune
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Ruwo
Feb 15, 2019 3:51 PM CST
Thanks again for all your help!

@skopjecollection yes, i thought about buying an opuntia this year! Smiling Last year i bought an agave parryi var. neomexicana. It stays outside all year and so far it does quite well, i read about the plant that it's very hardy, i could imagine that it would thrive in your area especially as you get hotter summers Thumbs up
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_Bleu_
Feb 15, 2019 7:00 PM CST
skopjecollection said:However, sempervivums are monocarpic, so the larger they get, the more likely they are to bloom. When they bloom they die.


Have you ever tried cutting the bloom stalk off to prolong the life of the plant? I'm just wondering if doing that would actually do the trick and for how long?

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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Feb 15, 2019 11:03 PM CST
_Bleu_ said:

Have you ever tried cutting the bloom stalk off to prolong the life of the plant? I'm just wondering if doing that would actually do the trick and for how long?


Wouldnt work. The rosette center is ruined by the time the stalk appears. Like the agave, there is no more stem cells that can make leaves...
Unlike the echeverias, yuccas, pachypodiums, aloes etc, the stalk is not a branch on the stem between the leaves, but IS the stem.
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BlueOddish
Feb 15, 2019 11:18 PM CST
@_Bleu_ there is some great info on that subject in this thread: The thread "Surgical procedure for a blooming rosette." in Sempervivum forum
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Feb 16, 2019 3:50 PM CST
Thank You! @skopjecollection and @BlueOddish

I read that entire thread, Angelo. Learned a lot from it and I've decided I am not a monocarpic fan. I mean, I do love the way they look but I want my plants to stay with me for as long as possible, given how much time and care I dedicate to them. The surgery thread was an interesting read but I just can't see myself fighting nature so much.
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