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Elemont
Feb 16, 2019 4:28 PM CST
Hi, so my mom has a Portulaca plant but during the winter it lost some leaves and now that it's hotter she put it in the sun light and the remaining leaves became black and it lost all of them... can something be done? Sighing! Crying
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_Bleu_
Feb 16, 2019 5:27 PM CST
This is what I see:

1. The soil is way too wet - succulents need their soil to dry out between waterings and, in the winter, a pot of that size shouldn't be watered more than two times per month (maybe three, if it's a dry and mild winter).
2. There is a saucer under the pot, which will protect the surface the pot is on but it will also allow the water to collect and keep the soil wet, which is not good for the plant. Only place the pot on the saucer after the water has completely drained.
3. Any plant will suffer damage if suddenly moved to direct sun - plants need to acclimate to a new environment. You start with maybe an hour or two of direct morning sun and increase the exposure slowly over several days.

Is there hope for your mom's plant? I guess you'll have to wait and see. Let the soil dry, don't let it get soaking wet again, trim the stems a few inches and give it good air circulation. When/if you see some green growth along the stems, the plant may survive.
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skopjecollection
Feb 16, 2019 10:25 PM CST
We grow those as annuals here. They often loose all their leaves in autumn, and die in the winter...
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DaisyI
Feb 16, 2019 10:47 PM CST
I thought they were annuals.
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skopjecollection
Feb 16, 2019 10:54 PM CST
DaisyI said:I thought they were annuals.

They grow as small perennial shrubs in their natural habitat in brazil. Im also assuming same rules apply for all equatorial areas, that arent too dry.
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_Bleu_
Feb 17, 2019 12:01 AM CST
They seem to be perennial in SoCal. I have two plants here. They are doing fine, in hanging baskets, getting lots of rain (since early January - it's been the wettest and coolest winter in years) and wind. Leaves and stems look pale and plump. I'll take and post a photo tomorrow.
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skopjecollection
Feb 17, 2019 12:06 AM CST
_Bleu_ said:They seem to be perennial in SoCal. I have two plants here. They are doing fine, in hanging baskets, getting lots of rain (since early January - it's been the wettest and coolest winter in years) and wind. Leaves and stems look pale and plump. I'll take and post a photo tomorrow.


Yep. Listed zones 10b and 11 in USDA. In another words, equatorial climate.
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_Bleu_
Feb 17, 2019 12:20 AM CST
skopjecollection said:
In another words, equatorial climate.


Which we don't have in Southern California.

Our climate is classified as Mediterranean, semi-desert, arid or mountain, depending on location.

In my area, the climate is Mediterranean.
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skopjecollection
Feb 17, 2019 12:34 AM CST
"Mediterranean"....thats a stretch to be honest. Most of the medieteraneean as far as i know is not all that hot. Yes, cacti grow there, but were are talking O.Ficus indica and cereus repandus as the haridest of permanent residents. Yes, there are cacti with zones hotter than that, but, that would either be northern africa, or southern/eastern coast of spain, and part of souther france, as well as islands of malta and Sicily......
Otherwise the bulk of the european part would be zone 7b to zone 9a at best. Precipitation is another thing, but dont mix it up with the hardiness zones.
Moss rose grows in frost free areas, which doesnt match the hardiness zones of the mediterraean...
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kniphofia
Feb 17, 2019 12:38 AM CST
I'd put that one in the bin and go buy a new one.
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_Bleu_
Feb 17, 2019 12:40 AM CST
So "calling it Mediterranean is a stretch" but calling it "equatorial" is not? Rolling on the floor laughing

Stephan, in MY area of SoCal the climate is classified as Mediterranean.
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skopjecollection
Feb 17, 2019 1:09 AM CST
_Bleu_ said:So "calling it Mediterranean is a stretch" but calling it "equatorial" is not? Rolling on the floor laughing

Stephan, in MY area of SoCal the climate is classified as Mediterranean.

A small area inland(isolated dots), are actually what you label as Mediterranean. Some parts coast area however, particularly the baja bay area to the south and the LA area are within the acceptable zones of hardiness. On top of that, mediterraneaen is classified as mostly in terms of low precipitation and hot summers, not indicative of actual hardiness in winters. Compared to the actual mediterranean climate, the winter minimums are lower, for the affected area. On top of that, precipitation in the northern africa portion would be lower than those of europe, as well as the proximity to the sahara desert and the overall latitude decrease the comparability between the affected shores.
To get an area to be called tropical or near tropical, the winter minimums need to be allways above freezing (0"C). This is still not the case in the Mediterranean for the most part.
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skopjecollection
Feb 17, 2019 1:29 AM CST
And just so you want proof:
https://davisla.files.wordpres...
As you can see, a very small area is zone 10, and asume that over 70 % would fall under 10A
where as https://planthardiness.ars.usd...
Lists most of that area as 10b, and 11a.
Now, you might say " but its listed as hot summer mediterreanean by koppen" and such, but the compatible hardiness zones paired with said climate map show that the area is a combination of it, and semi arid (LA) and desert( near baja)...
AND, bear this is mind, is that cities, due to having large amounts of concrete, asphalt and whatnot paired with the generation of heat via vehicles and households and industry, DO increase the hardiness by a small degree.
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_Bleu_
Feb 17, 2019 1:31 AM CST
1. The climate in my locality is not labeled as Mediterranean by me.

2. Please quit trying to impose your opinion. I couldn't care less how much you think you know about my climate.

3. Please stop hijacking this thread to prove a point you do not have.

4. This thread is about portulacas.
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DaisyI
Feb 17, 2019 11:14 AM CST
About Portulaca... I really did think they were annuals but, I looked them up and they are considered tender perennials. Obviously, I've never lived anywhere where they were winter hardy.

That said, I'm not sure Elemont's plant is salvageable but, stop over watering and see what happens this spring.
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_Bleu_
Feb 17, 2019 7:09 PM CST
@Elemont, if you are still watching this thread, here's one of the two portulaca plants I acquired last August, they were on sale for $6 each because the heatwaves we were experiencing really stressed the plants.

What it looked like in mid-August, after a couple of weeks of good care; the weather had just started to cool down a bit:

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Here it is in mid-November (our weather has been unusually cool since October):

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Our area has been affected by what scientists call "atmospheric rivers" since mid-January, just one wall of water after another, every week. Both of my portulacas stayed in place during the storms, which have been almost constant in the past three weeks, I kept forgetting to move them to a sheltered area yet they seem to be coping rather well.

Notice the shriveled stems and also new growth in these photos I took this morning:

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That's why I think there might be hope for your mom's portulaca. Once that soil dries, if the roots are not rotten, you may see some improvement.

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DaisyI
Feb 17, 2019 7:25 PM CST
Elemont, Is your Mother trying to keep this as a houseplant?
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Elemont
Feb 18, 2019 3:03 AM CST
@_Bleu_ Thanks for the info, but how do you know if the roots are rotten?? Do you think I should repot it??

@Daisyl Before winter the plant was outside on the windowsill.

Also the plant has some of this bugs
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_Bleu_
Feb 18, 2019 3:14 AM CST
I'd leave it alone. If the roots are rotten, there's nothing you can do about it. If they are rotten partially, repotting the plant may damage the roots that are still clinging to life. If the roots are still in fair shape, once the soil dries and you start a proper watering schedule, you should see improvement.

Where did you find those bugs? I don't know what they are.
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Elemont
Feb 18, 2019 3:30 AM CST
The one in the photo was on the last leaf, I don't know if it was eating it but it was bigger (fatter) than others. They are like little flies

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