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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
Feb 17, 2019 1:54 PM CST
#1Blood, Sweat & Tears X Filipina Bride
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#2 Blood, Sweat & Tears X Political Punch
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#3 Blue Cheese Please X Fabulous Black Pearl
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#4 Blue Cheese Please X Political Punch
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#4+Blueberry Breakfast X Fly So Free
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#5 Blue Berry Breakfast X Navajo Pony
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#6 Dances with Giraffes X Egg Plant Escapade
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#7 Dances with Giraffes X Margo Reed Indeed
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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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Feb 17, 2019 2:32 PM CST
I wanted to add more but hit "finished" accidentally.

My question was going to be "do you think these are good matches for pollination or would you switch any around.

Unfortunately AGAIN after adding 9 more pairs D'Oh! I clicked out of the edit altogether so now my next pairs disappeared. D'Oh! D'Oh!

RE-edited the above: Let me know what you think of the choices. Feel free to mix and match any that you think might be better together. They are all DIP's.
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Feb 17, 2019 3:05 PM CST
Sorry about the wasted time and effort. Let me just say that I feel sure experienced hybridizers can give some excellent advice about crossing plants.
But if you have your own likes and dislikes, if you have your own goals and if you have selected your plants to help you reach those goals, I don't think just looking at the blooms and giving an opinion, would be of much use without first knowing all the above mentioned things.
I wonder if even a really experienced hybridizer could look at those photos with out knowing what the actual plants are, and give you any advice about those being good choices for hybridizing, without knowing what you were hoping to achieve in the seedlings produced.
I actually give the blooms more consideration than I like to think I do, but I also am looking for height, bud count, branching, plant strength and the attractiveness of the foliage, etc. I have heard it is much easier to put a pretty face on a plant that to combine a great plant with a pretty face. So I like to think that I am going for a great plant, yet my goal is to create Sculpted Relief, so really the bloom is still the key item in my choosing a cross
What good is a wonderful daylily, without a beautiful bloom? Similar to growing grass I guess, so the bloom always has to be kept right up front when doing the crosses, but I might be happy going a couple of plant generations first to get the plant then work on getting the bloom I want.
Looking at your photos and crosses makes me realize that I do not have the knowledge necessary to make good cross choices. I should be able to look at those pictures and at least be able to know If you are going for a certain color, shape, eye, watermark, edge, shape, etc.
But I am clueless, so I really need to step up my game and become more educated in how to make selections.
Sorry, cross posted before the names were put with the blooms, so ignore some of what I said being the plants are actually known now.
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Name: Tim
West Chicago, IL (Zone 5a)
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Lyshack
Feb 17, 2019 3:17 PM CST
I'm really curious about how that #5 Blue Berry Breakfast X Navajo Pony will turn out, so I encourage you to do that one, hoping to see pictures of it in a couple summers.

#2 Blood, Sweat & Tears X Political Punch reminds me of a pink vs. purple cross I did two summers ago that I get to see for the first time this year. Just seeing that cross caused me to open my spreadsheet and look at the data and pictures I have of the parents, looking forward to late June or July.

So I'd pick that one, too.
Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Feb 17, 2019 5:33 PM CST
#5 really intrigued me too. I am afraid I don't know much about matching. I would just try what I liked.
Vickie
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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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Feb 17, 2019 5:49 PM CST
I guess I'm not really going in any direction. I seem to look at two and imagine "hmmm, wonder if the color from one could pick up some color (or darker color) from the other. Or "could the purple/blue come together from these 2 and make something interesting" (as in #4 Blue Cheese Please X Political Punch) or (#5 Blueberry Breakfast X Navajo Pony). I think that is what I had in mind when I picked these two.

OR:
Let's say I have DL "A" that I just love the bloom but hate its wimpy scape (nice height but wimpy).
Let's say I have DL "B" that has a scape that is strong as a tree.
Let's say you imagine that bloom of A and B may very likely produce rather ho-hum or ugly bloom.
Would you still cross these two in hopes for a stronger scape and a bloom that MAY show traits from the "A" DL? And would you then use that seedling and perhaps cross it again with the original "A" DL in hopes to have the stronger scape carry through and maybe pick up more bloom traits form the favored "A" bloom?
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Feb 17, 2019 6:11 PM CST
So much to consider... you have to find plants that will pass the wanted traits down to the next generation, and you also have to find plants that will receive the traits that you are wanting to pass down. I guess that is the reason there are so few keepers until you hit the right combo, then the amount of keepers soars percentage wise.
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Feb 17, 2019 6:11 PM CST
It looks like you cross like I do. No grand design but having a reason for doing each cross. I'm only going for daylilies that do well in my garden so I'm not planning on registering any of my seedlings. So I'd say you made some pretty good choices.

I do crosses to try to fix faults in a daylily. I did one cross for a daylily with short scapes. Most of the seedlings had better scapes but most didn't look like either parent too!

I'd say do all sorts of crosses for one year. Then chose X crosses to plant for the next year. As you are choosing which seeds to plant you'll figure out just what kinds of crosses really excite you. That will inform what you cross the next year. But also always do & plant seeds from a wacky cross just to see what pops up. It may be the cross you least suspect that may give you seedlings you really love!
Name: Tim
West Chicago, IL (Zone 5a)
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Lyshack
Feb 17, 2019 7:53 PM CST
Circling back to this question:

OR:
Let's say I have DL "A" that I just love the bloom but hate its wimpy scape (nice height but wimpy).
Let's say I have DL "B" that has a scape that is strong as a tree.
Let's say you imagine that bloom of A and B may very likely produce rather ho-hum or ugly bloom.

I wouldn't do that. Let's say DL "A" is purple. I don't care how amazing DL "B"'s scapes are, if DL "B" is orange, I'm not going to make that cross. If I have one, I'm going to try a neutral colored plant with a nice scape to make that cross with instead. There are a lot of registered children with Margo Reed Indeed and Northwind Dancer. Most of them are pink like Northwind Dancer. I think if you want to see a color or face passed on, maybe learn from JP Murphy and pick Margo Reed Indeed or another neutral colored plant.


Name: Roger & Karen
Birmingham, Al (Zone 7a)
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Diggerofdirt
Feb 17, 2019 8:39 PM CST
5 has my vote for sure. 2 also caught my eye that one might be a keeper, but as Larry said it all depends on your own personal goals. My husband always says for every one that dont like something some one else will.
Every home needs a daylily, and every daylily needs a home.
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Name: Chris Massengill
Upper East Tennessee, Bluff Ci (Zone 6b)
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Feb 17, 2019 9:56 PM CST
What are your goals with these crosses? Where and how do you want to take the crosses in the future? Will you Outcross or Line breed the best seedlings?
Always review crosses for the best expansion of genetics. Diploids, you will see a full spectrum of the cross with around 50 to 100 seeds. Tetraploids, the spectrum is narrow and will need around 500 seed to see the full amount of what is in the cross. Look into the parentage for what is involved in the cross like parentage, foliage, height, bloom size, eyezones, edges, clean colors.
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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Feb 17, 2019 10:58 PM CST
Tim, Makes sense that probably the flower could very possibly look really yucky and perhaps a stronger scape could be my only reward. A lot of time wasted only to feed the compost bin.

Chris, I do need to take a look at the parentage of choices I am considering. I haven't done that yet. Good idea and a great winter project!

I'm only doing it for the "fun of it". In 2016 I planted over 600 seedlings and in 2018 I planted about 300. I have not started any seedling this year but I do have some seeds to do so. I may even try planting directly into the ground as soon as it's warm enough here in Wisconsin.
I'm pretty much at my limit for planting until I get the 2016 bed cleared of the ones I don't want. I wish I could plant 50 to 100 from one cross. I'd LOVE to see the full range of what could be… I wish I had acres of land and was 15 to 20 years younger Rolling my eyes. . But I remain happy with what I have Smiling .

I definitely will cross Blueberry Breakfast X Navajo Pony this summer. Seems a few of you found it to be a possibility. Margo Reed Indeed is one of my favorites. I have a few seeds from last summer of MRI X Navajo Pony and NP X MRI also.

I know having a goal is really important. That is one thing I lack. Hard for me to zero in on it. If I HAD to pick any goals they would be: Spiders or spider-like; purple/lavender or blue; star looking centers; and a light colored mid-rib (is it called?). Like Egg Plant Escapade (above) has. I'm making myself look MORE at bud count and branching (as Larry states). Very important. Even the most beautiful flower isn't great if you only get 7-9 blooms a year.

Thank you all for your input. Hopefully there will be more to come. Thank You!
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Feb 25, 2019 7:27 AM CST
Sue most of us all wish we were ten to sixty years younger with more land Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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touchofsky
Feb 25, 2019 8:29 AM CST
I have the land, now I just need a time machine to prune a few years off my age Rolling on the floor laughing

The first year I did some hybridizing, I had no goals and no clue as to what I was doing. I just was curious and wanted to grow seeds. Over the past two years, I have been narrowing my focus and developing goals.

My main goals are winter hardy, miniature or small flowered plants with interesting eye zones. Bi-colours, bi-tones and small UF's are of special interest within those goals.
Considering my location, obviously winter hardy is top of the list!

I was pleased to have some plants bloom in 16 months from seed!






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