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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
May 26, 2019 6:16 AM CST
Tom, this is the tread, wanted to make it easier to find.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
May 26, 2019 6:23 AM CST
I worked with the program yesterday. I had planted seeds in boxes and trays, had probably 20 or thirty I wanted to delete, I had already moved the ones I wanted to keep.
I wanted to delete the seedlings by location, can't figure out how to do that. Well I did finally do it but there has to be a better method.
I just sent Kent this email. hope some of you will read it and post back it makes sense. I find it hard to express sometimes what I am actually trying to say when dealing with this program.

" Can you please provide me with the best sequence of steps to remove daylily seedlings and replace them other seedlings.
I wanted to do it by location.
What I want to be able to do is Delete a seedling from a location and add a replacement seedling to that same location. I have maybe 30 of these to do in a couple of beds and will probably have more to do later that are in other beds. I thought I could go into update locations, but that does not delete the original seedling in the location.
I tried to go into the mass delete seedlings, but that shows no location so I can't tell which one to actually delete and I think that would also delete the location. Looking forward to a reply."
Thanks
Larry"
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Name: Thomas Jones
Ralston, Ok 74650 (Zone 6b)
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thomasjones2266
May 26, 2019 2:14 PM CST
I bought the program about a month ago and have been trying to use it. I have looked over a lot of the post above and they are a lot farther ahead of me. I am slow and hate to type. I am going to start with three questions because I need to go slow and then maybe slower.

1. I read that you can access others catalogs. How do you so this? (I figured this one out)

2. I think I read where you can download the internet database to excel. How do you do this or is it only your database?

3. Can we share or get to others databases if not could we share some on here? I think they could be protected.

I think I assumed it would be a lot more user-friendly than it is. I was hoping for a database say in Excel that we could copy and paste from and a few more things.
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Composter Daylilies Garden Photography Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Region: Alabama
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Seedfork
May 26, 2019 3:03 PM CST
Tom glad to see you found the thread.
I will do my best to answer what I can, but not exactly sure about what you are asking in questions two and three concerning databases.

1. Not sure if the version of the program will matter, but I have 7.1, I go to the home page, then click on "website" then up at the top click on "Catalogs."
2. Not sure about the second question, "internet database" ? I think it means you can import your info you download from the internet into your program into your copy of excel.
3. Once again not sure about the meaning of "databases" are you referring to just a list of plants? Need clarification.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
May 29, 2019 12:33 PM CST
Seedfork said:I worked with the program yesterday. I had planted seeds in boxes and trays, had probably 20 or thirty I wanted to delete, I had already moved the ones I wanted to keep.
I wanted to delete the seedlings by location, can't figure out how to do that. Well I did finally do it but there has to be a better method.
I just sent Kent this email. hope some of you will read it and post back it makes sense. I find it hard to express sometimes what I am actually trying to say when dealing with this program.

" Can you please provide me with the best sequence of steps to remove daylily seedlings and replace them other seedlings.
I wanted to do it by location.
What I want to be able to do is Delete a seedling from a location and add a replacement seedling to that same location. I have maybe 30 of these to do in a couple of beds and will probably have more to do later that are in other beds. I thought I could go into update locations, but that does not delete the original seedling in the location.
I tried to go into the mass delete seedlings, but that shows no location so I can't tell which one to actually delete and I think that would also delete the location. Looking forward to a reply."
Thanks
Larry"

I got a response back from Kent:
"Hello Larry,
The Flower program was not really setup the way you want it to work. Locations are attached to flowers so a single flower record could have multiple locations. I think the way you want it to work is a location is at the top level and the control what flower is at that location.

Maybe the best way for you to keep track of your seedlings is in separate file cabinets for each year or season. This way you can refer back to older file cabinets and review results. This would keep each year in its only cabinet with their own locations and pictures.

Thanks,
Kent"
I don't see the answer to be related to what I wanted to do. But he was correct "The Flower program was not really setup the way you want it to work."
What does keeping seedlings in separate file cabinets for separate years have to do will deleting and replacing seedlings this year? I never seem to be able to communicate my questions or relate to the answers.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
May 29, 2019 12:55 PM CST
I was out pollinating the daylilies the other day, had my notebook, my pen, my little container of beads and gem clips, and my pollen...I felt like a juggler in the circus. I use a small tin that came with gem clips, I put a magnet it so it would hold my pollen and my beads with the clips and attach to the metal clip on the clip board. I was writing down the date and time all the crosses in the notebook etc.
Then I would log everything into the PlantStep program, go through the steps to add the date, the cross and make the pollination etc. It dawned on me that I have no way of knowing what seed pod I will be harvesting when the time comes, was it one I pollinated of 05/06, or 05/08? No way to tell, so why was I entering all that?
So I have now scraped all that, I go down to the garden with my beads and clips, and my pollen. No pen or notebook or clipboard necessary. I do the pollination, and add a clip and bead. Now I have still been added the pollinations into the program, but I am wondering if that isn't a wast of time also. I am thinking about just dropping that step also.
When it comes time to harvest the pods, do I need to know when the pollination was done? Heck two thirds of them are not taking any how. I harvest about as many beads and clips from bud scars that did not set a pod, as I put on new blooms after being pollinated. It is normal for be to collect 20-30 beads and clips in a morning from the plants where no pod ever formed.
It is PlantStep, and I thought I should follow all the steps, but now I think a lot of the steps are a total waste of time (for me anyhow). I would love feed back on what some of the rest of you are actually entering into the program...please?
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
May 29, 2019 8:34 PM CST
Larry,

I think you are right, that you can eliminate some of your steps.

Certainly keeping good notes (on paper) of the pod/pollen parents is a must. And I like the way you mark them for parentage recognition.

Then you could add the number of seeds to Plant Step at harvest time.

OR...

I keep "paper" records right up to the day I plant the seedling into the ground. At that point I will add them to Plant Step.

Unless a person is interested in keeping track of: #of days from pollination to harvest, % of pods that set, % of germination, % that survive after germination, etc...Less is better.

And I'm not saying that all that information wouldn't be informative and interesting...but if it's driving you nuts it isn't worth it. I would love to keep track of all that info but there's just not enough time in the day.
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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touchofsky
May 30, 2019 6:28 AM CST
I keep a notebook, too, and record my crosses as I go along. I also keep paper notes regarding the planting of the seeds and progress of the seedlings. I also make maps of the seedling beds on paper.

I have come to realize that I do not enjoy spending a lot of time recording things on the computer!
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Composter Daylilies Garden Photography Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier
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Seedfork
Jun 4, 2019 4:17 PM CST
Well, sometimes it takes a while for things to sink into my brain. Today I had to replace seven more seedlings that had vanished in my seedling beds. The same process I have tried to do on several occasions. For some reason today I went into the program, and I had no problem at all following the correct procedure and not the convoluted one I had been doing. It is actually a simple thing, and I can't account for how I got so confused.
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jun 5, 2019 4:50 AM CST
Hi, I've been reading here even tho I'm still not well enough that my fingers keep up with my brain.

Larry, thank you for all you put up for us to read. Your experiences are very helpful. So, are you gonna tell us the simple thing? Or did I miss it?
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Composter Daylilies Garden Photography Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Region: Alabama
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Seedfork
Jun 5, 2019 5:53 AM CST
I had to think about the question for a while, why was it so much easier this time than before? I wrote down on a sheet of paper all the info on the seven plants I needed to add, Name, Bed, Row, Plant: I did the same for the plants to be removed. I used the hybridizer codes for names.
But it just occurred to me this morning after reading your post that the reason it was so much easier was that I did not actually "delete" any plants.
1. I opened the program, main page main cabinet.
2. Went to "Hybridize"
3."Hybridize Seedlings"
4.Now this puts me on the "Daylily Hybridize Helper page" with all the info on the seedlings in a chart at the top and the add and edit buttons and places to enter new info or edit old info at the bottom.
5. I used the column "hybridize code" to locate the plant I wanted to replace and selected it. Then I just hit the edit button and replaced the info with the info for the replacement plant. I did have to be careful to edit the ploidy and the planting date further on the right. The ploidy because some of the replacement plants were not the same ploidy, and I was really just transplanting, and not planting.
6. The location info stayed the same so I did nothing there. Just "Save" changes and moved on to the next plant.

Now the reason I did not have to delete the replacement plant and its original location is because the replacements are down to such a small number now, down to just one bed and they are mostly duplicates of just a few different crosses, I don't find it necessary to keep up with their locations in the program. I just look over them and pick the strongest looking ones. I will have to eventually just go to mass delete and delete all the remaining plants in that bed.
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jun 5, 2019 9:24 AM CST
Let's say that I have 100 seedlings in SB01(seedling bed 01), there are 10 rows and 10 plants to the row. I decide at the end of the year that 90 are not worth keeping any longer.Now, some of those same crosses are located in two other beds.

I would love to pull up seedling bed SB01 and go down the list and eliminate 90 seedlings and their locations in about 5 min. However, there is no way I see to actually do that.
It seems each cross will have to be checked for every single location. When the cross in the correct location is found that will need to be deleted.
I don't see how this can be done easily, with mass update location (does not delete the plant), or with mass delete (shows no location in the "chart" ). You have to click on each cross planted then look down and over to the right to see the individual plant locations.
Can anyone tell me how they would actually do this?
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Name: Ina Novodvorsky
Carleton Place, Ontario, Canad (Zone 4a)
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Ina
Jan 19, 2020 12:06 PM CST
Just finished updating my Plantstep program. Very quick and easy. Just open the program and follow the instructions on the prompt screen. Hurray!
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Composter Daylilies Garden Photography Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Region: Alabama
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Seedfork
Jan 19, 2020 12:30 PM CST
Thanks,
I had not even thought about checking for updates.
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jan 19, 2020 1:35 PM CST
Ina, thank you! Just got updated! Thumbs up
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
Jan 19, 2020 2:32 PM CST
I have to get mine done yet too.

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Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jan 19, 2020 2:36 PM CST
Oh-oh, I spoke too soon! That's what you get for doing more than one thing at a time! I backed-up the program successfully, but now can't update. I easily downloaded the flower list, and then I emailed Kent for help with the update.
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
Jan 19, 2020 3:07 PM CST
I'm sure Kent will help you out.

I just backed up first. Then I updated all three (software, daylily names and iris names). All seems to be working just fine.
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jan 19, 2020 3:57 PM CST
I seem to be having firewall issues.
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jan 19, 2020 4:24 PM CST
Got it! Thumbs up
I are sooooo smart!

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