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Name: Mac
Still here (Zone 6a)
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McCannon
Mar 1, 2019 8:13 AM CST
They affect you, what you grow, and the planet as well. Recycling, pollution, chemicals, and a host of other things. No political comments please.
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Mar 1, 2019 12:29 PM CST
I have pretty good neighbors now so my environment has improved.
May not leave nice and sloppy sheep manure on the garden as long as I have , as I want them to stick around. Whistling
Name: Mac
Still here (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
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McCannon
Mar 1, 2019 4:22 PM CST
Methane in the atmosphere is surging, and that's got scientists worried
https://www.latimes.com/scienc...
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Mar 1, 2019 5:15 PM CST
McCannon said:Methane in the atmosphere is surging, and that's got scientists worried
https://www.latimes.com/scienc...

Informative article.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Name: Mac
Still here (Zone 6a)
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McCannon
Mar 1, 2019 5:30 PM CST
Obviously there is no simple solution for cattle flatulence but I suspect that a lot of the methane comes from landfills and chemical plants and refineries that burn off the gas. We need more environmental regulation rather than less to solve long term problems.

A prime example in California. The leak was detected on 10/23/15 and not sealed until 2/18/16. What took them so long?

California Company Reaches $119.5 Million Settlement Over Massive Gas Leak
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/08...
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Mar 1, 2019 5:50 PM CST
flaflwrgrl said:
Informative article.

Good thing there are not millions of Bison out there farting. Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Mac
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McCannon
Mar 1, 2019 7:17 PM CST
No, we pretty much wiped them all out. I guess the reintroduced wolves aren't nearly as flatulent.
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Shadegardener
Mar 4, 2019 10:04 AM CST
Mac - interesting thread topic. Here, plastic bags always recycled one way or another, our city does recycling for other stuff, use fabric or knit bags for produce instead of plastic, have reusable bags for groceries, lump errands together, no chemicals in the backyard which borders on wetlands and creek. The bigger picture beyond my home is scary. Methane from cattle or garbage landfills is really concerning. The chemicals in water and produce is as well. Alternative energy sources need more exploration and/or expansion.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
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flaflwrgrl
Mar 4, 2019 11:16 AM CST
I am screaming up a storm on this issue but those in charge aren't listening. Yet.


Report finds widespread contamination at nation's coal ash sites

https://www.washingtonpost.com...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Shadegardener
Mar 4, 2019 12:28 PM CST
Ann - I had quickly seen the headline this morning but hadn't read it yet. It is a real crime.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
Name: Mac
Still here (Zone 6a)
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McCannon
Mar 4, 2019 1:33 PM CST
Duke Energy has always been a major contributor to the pollution problem. They've been denying that it's a problem for a long as I can remember. My question is why is the Virginia State Corporation Commission saying ratepayers should pay for the cleanup. They were lied to just like everyone else. I think the company owners and shareholders should be who's responsible for paying for cleanup.
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Shadegardener
Mar 4, 2019 3:08 PM CST
I agree with you on that. Or the government gets stuck with the costs in which case we all pay. There is an on-going notable battle in IN about gas station cleanup from leaking tanks. And we have the lead issues in heavily industrialized East Chicago.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
Name: Mac
Still here (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
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McCannon
Mar 4, 2019 4:02 PM CST
We had a truck stop/gas station near us that had been shuttered for years with both underground and above ground fuel tank. Built long before regulations were in place to check for leaks and spills. The building was finally taken down and tanks removed a couple years ago. I suspect the taxpayers footed the bill for that. The Feds seem somewhat reluctant to go after the polluters. The bankruptcy laws make it pretty easy to avoid paying.
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Mar 4, 2019 4:14 PM CST
McCannon said:We had a truck stop/gas station near us that had been shuttered for years with both underground and above ground fuel tank. Built long before regulations were in place to check for leaks and spills. The building was finally taken down and tanks removed a couple years ago. I suspect the taxpayers footed the bill for that. The Feds seem somewhat reluctant to go after the polluters. The bankruptcy laws make it pretty easy to avoid paying.

How many taxpayers filled up their cars, or bought fuel oil from that site or others similar?
I bet no one complained when doing that.
It is too easy to point fingers, ignorance is bliss.

Name: Mac
Still here (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
Critters Allowed Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Annuals Morning Glories Sedums
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McCannon
Mar 4, 2019 6:31 PM CST
Most fuel purchasers had no knowledge of leaking underground tanks. Why would they complain about something they knew nothing about?.
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Mar 4, 2019 9:58 PM CST
McCannon said:Most fuel purchasers had no knowledge of leaking underground tanks. Why would they complain about something they knew nothing about?.

As I said ignorance is bliss. I tip my hat to you.
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Shadegardener
Mar 5, 2019 8:21 AM CST
Or believing polluters are above the law.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
Name: Mac
Still here (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
Critters Allowed Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Annuals Morning Glories Sedums
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McCannon
Mar 5, 2019 8:34 AM CST
They're not, and many of us are hoping that mentality will change before it's too late, Cindy.
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Shadegardener
Mar 5, 2019 9:31 AM CST
Mac - I really believe we're at the tipping point. When air, ground, water and even food are so contaminated, I'm not sure that it can be undone. Money has indeed won out.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
Name: Mac
Still here (Zone 6a)
Ex zones 4b, 8b, 9a, 9b
Cat Lover Birds Hummingbirder Butterflies Frogs and Toads Vermiculture
Critters Allowed Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Annuals Morning Glories Sedums
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McCannon
Mar 5, 2019 11:51 AM CST
I understand that, Cindy, but we can't just give up. I must say your tag line does make that point though.
I make it a point to learn something new every day. I just wish I could remember what that was.

The aboriginal peoples and many cultures throughout the world share a common respect for nature and the universe, and all of the life that it holds. We could learn much from them!

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