Adeniums forum: seed germination

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mocropot
May 25, 2012 9:11 PM CST
While waiting on some seeds from Mike decided to geminate mine own from open pollination.
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Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Plumerias Orchids Tropicals
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chefmike92
May 25, 2012 10:05 PM CST
looks good hope i can ship them very soon!!!

mocropot
May 26, 2012 1:28 PM CST
Mike they grow like a weed. I had so many seeds from my plants
Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Plumerias Orchids Tropicals
Amaryllis Region: Florida Region: United States of America Roses
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chefmike92
May 26, 2012 2:10 PM CST
you like to get rid of some let me know i always love to get more

what kinds do you have?

mike
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Mexico I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Ponds Tropicals
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extranjera
May 26, 2012 2:28 PM CST
I'm so impressed. How do you do that? I can't grow anything from seed and I'm failing again with some adenium seeds. A wonderful person mailed me some, I followed the directions. I think I saw a couple sprout so I got my glasses and tried to do that 'remove the brown seed cover' thing, it was a massive failure. The little seedlings came up out of the dirt. I stuffed them back in and gave up on getting the seed cover off. It seems to me that if they can't do it by themselves then they haven't evolved very far. Then, the dogs knocked the pots over, I was taking them out on the roof every morning and bringing them in at night in case it rained. So now, I don't see anything happening in one pot and there are still 2 green shoots covered in brown stuff in the other pot. I'm not touching them. I spray them twice a day and walk them in and out but I'm not very confident that anything will grow. Nothing ever grows for me from seed, I feel like a big dummy about it.
A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
Name: Jim Cook
South Florida
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jimsned2
May 26, 2012 4:55 PM CST
Hi Jonna, I'm just wondering if you soaked the seeds for a few hours b-4 planting? Wilfred or some one gave great advice on removing that seed cover, as I recall he said to spray the seedling, wait a few minutes and spray it again, then I seem to recall using a tooth pick to very gently lift the covering. I remember a few of mine that I sort of put pressure on the soil while pulling off the seed cover. Well, anyway;don't give up. I'm sure you know how to get to carnage hall, right? Practice practice practice. It's the same with Adenium.


mocropot
May 26, 2012 7:16 PM CST
Hello Jonna, Here is what I do:
1. Soak the seeds for 24 hours
2. You can germinate in soil, soilless mix, or just on a paper towel. Whatever you prefer. You will need to provide high humidity for a good germination and the temperature above 75F
3. I need to agree with Jim: in order to remove the seed cover you need to spay the cover and then gently remove it. You might want to hold the seedling somehow and use a tweezers to finish the job.
In this particular example I used a NAPA product as a soilless mix. I think it illuminates dumping off because no organic stuff. I also will use it to grow these seedlings and see . I think they will be OK and it is cheaper and the pot is lighter then with the soil.

I can give you some seeds and you can try again. You will do it; you just need to try a couple times.

Mike seeds are nothing special, it is open pollinated. I can share with you if you want no problem

Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Plumerias Orchids Tropicals
Amaryllis Region: Florida Region: United States of America Roses
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chefmike92
May 26, 2012 8:31 PM CST
mocropot Id love to have some to raise and use for grafting. Also that someone Whistling that mails seeds can fwd some with next shipment to Jonna!

Jonna thats very good advice. I am soaking for 24-48 hrs and then germinate in paper towel in zip lock bags (i use the bags to soak in also) right now i have 50 seeds in paper towels. I am bag rooting plumeria and have them on my metro shelf with a heater going to keep at 85 deg 24 hrs a day and have the seeds next to my grow lights witch keeps the seeds at 90 deg. I am afraid that my seeds are old and im not getting what i want for germination rate. Im bummed. i germinate my plumeria seeds same way. it keeps me from all the planting of seeds that dont germinate. some take much longer then others. I had some sprout in 3 days and some 3 weeks i think that is freshness of seed!

I was told that the key to germination of adeniums are to keep warm all the time they cant fluctuate much in temp if they cool to much they will not grow.

Btw Jonna im going to the PO Tuesday again so watch in a few weeks to try again!!

and tell your dogs and cats ...no-no plants are friends to Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Mexico I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Ponds Tropicals
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Plumerias Plays in the sandbox Dog Lover Cat Lover
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extranjera
May 26, 2012 8:35 PM CST
Yes, I did soak them for 24 hours. I planted them in potting soil with vermiculite. No problem about the humidity, I've got plenty of that. I spray them with water 2x a day and they are sitting in the sun. I tried to get that seed cover off with 2 pair of tweezers and I was just not going to do anything but destroy the seedling, that became obvious. I don't know if I'm clumsy or what, I had my glasses on but the little plant was too delicate. I'm afraid to try it again, I'm pretty sure I'll kill it trying and maybe it will survive if I leave it alone.

It has always irritated me that I am so bad at seeds. I'm a pretty good gardener but I've just never been able to get a seed to turn into a plant. I'm starting to doubt it even happens Whistling

I just ordered some lotus seeds from an online store here in Mexico. I killed a bunch of those years ago in the US so I guess I'll try it again in Mexico. Grumbling
A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Mexico I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Ponds Tropicals
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Plumerias Plays in the sandbox Dog Lover Cat Lover
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extranjera
May 26, 2012 8:41 PM CST
oops, Mike and I were writing at the same time.

You know, maybe I should try the paper towel and baggie way?? Temperature and humidity are no problem. We are at 70% to 85% humidity now and the lowest the temp gets is 24° (got to look that up, about 75°F) and that's for a couple hours just before dawn. The highs now are around 95°F. It's hot and it's humid here in the tropics at this time of year. I bring them inside at night where it is a little bit warmer, I have them sitting in the shower away from the pets. I'm still hoping to get 2 plants from one set of seeds. It would be a huge achievement for me.
A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Plumerias Orchids Tropicals
Amaryllis Region: Florida Region: United States of America Roses
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chefmike92
May 26, 2012 9:09 PM CST
OMG tropical storm warnings for central and north Florida OMG i dont know what i would do if we would have more then what they are calling for? just a few hundred plants to protect or bring in!!!

I just like germinating that way i can see the seeds between the towel i have i layer on one side and 4-6 folded on the other side so i can watch with out opening the bag and less potting and watering untill you know they are sprouting!!! i have to save time everywhere i can!!!

mocropot
May 27, 2012 7:01 AM CST
Mike mail me the SASE and all seeds I have are yours.

I got blessed with rain 2 days apart. You know Tarpon does not get too much rain and I have to water the garden most of the time, so when I do have a good rain I am blessed.

I wish you would be closer so I can visit and see all your plants.
Name: Doris Klene
Greensburg,Indiana.
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kareoke
May 27, 2012 7:39 AM CST
Well I have the best luck by soaking 2hrs, then gently remove the outer shell most of the time a gentle squeez and the seed pops out, then you never have that shell on the seedling to contend with.

mocropot
May 27, 2012 7:50 AM CST
Interesting, I did not know there is an outer shell on adenium seeds. Would like to see a picture whenever is possible
Name: Jim Cook
South Florida
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jimsned2
May 27, 2012 12:24 PM CST
Jonna, I'm not the expert here by a long shot, but I'm going to suggest that if your sun and heat is anything like Florida's, you should keep your seeds on a porch or some where out of the direct sun. I've tried both and the sun quickly kills the little guys. For me even after they have four or six leafs on I still only slowly introduce them to full sun. Lots of bright light, no direct sun till they can fend for themselves is my thought.

Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Plumerias Orchids Tropicals
Amaryllis Region: Florida Region: United States of America Roses
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chefmike92
May 27, 2012 1:59 PM CST
I just got info from a seller of seeds they say germination temp is best at about 70 deg?? seems low to me. and soak for 4-5 hrs warm not hot water. cover with plastic bag after planting in well draining soil and 1/4 in down. or cover with glass untill they sprout then introduce to bright INDIRECT lite and 65-75 deg? until 4 full sets of leaves only water with good water and superthrive and dont fertilize till after transplant. Trans plant after 4 leaves. then keep growing at 75 deg and 1/2 strength fertilizer 1 time month and superthrive every watering witch only when the soil seems to be drying out.

i wounder if i have cooked some of mu seeds Hmmmm....wounder how they taste dont like to waste anything.. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing


i can not believe they suggest such a low temp for germination and growth wow its way to damn hot to do that here in Florida unless they stay inside and i run my A/C lower then i normally do at 80-82 deg Geesh what to do?


everyone has there ways going to start ANOTHER batch of seeds today 50 more going to soak later!!! that will be the rest of MY seeds until next shipment comes in.

mike
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Mexico I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Ponds Tropicals
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Plumerias Plays in the sandbox Dog Lover Cat Lover
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extranjera
May 27, 2012 3:13 PM CST
Good info Jim, we do have weather that is like south Florida in the summer, a bit warmer in the winter perhaps. I'm at around 21°n latitude, so not far south of the Keys. We've had heavy rains this afternoon so the seeds were only outside for a few hours this morning. I will start putting them on the screened terrace off the bedroom, it's got high walls so only gets a few hours of direct sun and that is through mosquito screen so not as strong. So far I still have 2 little sprouts, fingers crossed.
A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
Name: Jim Cook
South Florida
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jimsned2
May 27, 2012 4:45 PM CST
The only thing I'm doing different then you now; is that I SPRAY mine way more then twice a day, every time I pass by them if the surface looks dry I spray very lightl not soaking the soil. When we have rain and no sun I don't spray unless the surface looks dry, but on a regular very hot high humidity day I might hit mine 5 times with a light spray.

Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Mexico I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Ponds Tropicals
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Plumerias Plays in the sandbox Dog Lover Cat Lover
Image
extranjera
May 27, 2012 6:51 PM CST
I've got mine upstairs because the pets are not in the bedroom area during the day, I'm not usually up there 5 times a day but I will try and get up more often and give them a spray.
A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
Name: Michael Hicks
Clermont, Fl
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Plumerias Orchids Tropicals
Amaryllis Region: Florida Region: United States of America Roses
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chefmike92
May 27, 2012 8:35 PM CST
ok just put 45 more seeds to soak 9 different types 5 each lets see how these will work. this means i have to trans plant 40-50 tomorrow to free the small pots to plant seeds in HAHAHA everything i do with my plants causes me to have to do more with my plants Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

I also put an order in for more boxes from usps.com i think i have about 200 coming several different sizes. got to be ready. I am now a drop shipper for someone's plant sales including my own co-op and sales. the usps system and i are becoming real good friends lol

me

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