Daylilies forum: Can You Guess What This Cross Will Look Like?

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Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Mar 28, 2019 6:39 AM CST
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Mar 29, 2019 5:41 PM CST
The first flower bloomed today. Not at all what I was expecting:

UUU07 (1st bloom) - The morning flower:
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The afternoon flower:
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Here are the stats on UUU07 first scape/bloom:
Scape height - 24" (It has a nice, thick sturdy scape!)
Bloom size: 4 -1/2"
Bud count: 21
Fans: 4 (They were so close together, that it might actually be more fans.)
Rust rating so far: 1.0 (There are rusty plants close to it!)
Branches: 3
It also has pronounced veining.

I was expecting a more pronounced throat and eye. The color is odd. Not Burgandy or Maroon or dark Mauve or even Magenta!

Maybe the following blooms will show something a little different, but I suspect not.

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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Mar 29, 2019 6:40 PM CST
Again, here is the parent info to compare stats to their child seedling:

UUU07 (sowed August 2017) - Little Jet Setter x CCC01 (Laughing Clown x Zanti Misfit):

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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Mar 29, 2019 6:45 PM CST
So if I was able to back-breed it to one of it's parents, which one would you chose?
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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
Mar 29, 2019 7:22 PM CST
I'd back-breed to both just to see what comes up. Depends on which characters you are wanting. The branching of the pollen parent is really good. But if you hope to bring a lavender/pink color with more if an eye, I'd go with Little Jet Setter.
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Name: Tim
West Chicago, IL (Zone 5a)
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Lyshack
Mar 29, 2019 8:48 PM CST
I'm with Sue. I'd go both ways to see what I could learn. Especially since the parents are so different. You're in a good spot to learn what traits go back in that kind of scenario.

Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Mar 29, 2019 10:41 PM CST
Sue and Tim - Good point!

This really is an odd cross that I made. And the results have turned out quite interesting to me. I like to cross daylilies that are quite opposite in bloom, shape, color, and size. And this was the perfect parents to do that. I think I am intrigued by which genetic traits show up.

Something else that I noticed about the seedling bloom .... the petals have a bit of ruffle when it is early in the day. And the sepals are outlined in a lighter color.

I thought I'd kind of break it down from what I see in comparing photos of the seedling bloom and it's parent's blooms:

UUU07 traits from the pod parent (Little Jet Setter):
1) Lightly ruffled petals.
2) Sepals that are outlined in a lighter color.
3) Deep veining.
4) Smaller sized bloom.
5) Shorter scape - 4" taller than the pod parent. (Though that could change with the plant maturity.)
6) Curvy scape.
7) Slightly darker color outlining the yellow throat.

UUU07 traits from the pollen parent (CCC01):
1) Thick and sturdy scape.
2) Branching of 3. (That may very well increase with maturity.)
3) Sepals are more elongated. (Not round like the pod parent.)
4) Yellow throat.
5) Good bud count of 21. (That could likely increase with maturity.)
6) Multiplying growth of fans.
7) Like both parents, it appears to also be rust resistant in my southern garden. (Even when exposed to rusty daylilies near it.)
8) Thick clumping of tight fans.

Have I missed anything else when comparing the child to it's parents?

Thumb of 2019-03-30/beckygardener/227c53

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Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Mar 30, 2019 4:52 AM CST
Becky the other blooms could be very different when they open. It happened to me last summer!

Maybe the eye will be darker. I like the ruffles and veins!
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Name: Tim
West Chicago, IL (Zone 5a)
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Lyshack
Mar 30, 2019 12:15 PM CST
I think that's what makes these "Can you guess..." posts so much fun and kind of educational. And it seems like your best chance to learn things more quickly is to put different parents together like you have.

I suspect Mary is right, that you haven't seen your final version of this bloom, yet.

Also, I think I've said this before, so pardon the redundancy, but I really like those summary sheets you put together for your seedlings.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Mar 30, 2019 12:18 PM CST
I can't began to guess what the results will look like, but I do enjoy seeing the bloom posted along with the parents after the fact. Then I can see the resemblances in both parents.
Name: Marcia
Rochester, ny, zone 6 (Zone 6b)
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DaylilyDazzled
Mar 31, 2019 3:52 PM CST
I think I would like it with a bigger throat so I would back cross with the pollen parent or another big throated plant like Emerald Starburst. Like the veining and color what ever it is, kind of a deep rose?
Name: Diana
Lincoln, NE (Zone 5b)
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ShakespearesGarden
May 30, 2019 10:49 PM CST
I've got three seedlings (so far) from the same cross that have put up scapes this year.
From Darkness Comes Light x Pink Stripes

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Two of the scapes are in this photo and they both show some dark coloration...
The third scape is regular green. The "hoods" on the these two are much longer than the hood on the third.


Pod


Pollen

I'm guessing a yellow...
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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
May 31, 2019 3:16 PM CST
I'll guess mostly yellow too. But maybe...hopefully you could get a little pinkish/rosy color splashes.

I love these guessing games or yours. Hurray! Hurray!
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Name: Tim
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Lyshack
May 31, 2019 4:38 PM CST
Diana, I just transplanted 20 seedlings that were Pink Stripes x a yellow. or the other way around. I won't see any of their faces until next year.

In looking at Pink Stripes' children, it seems like if it passes on the broken look, it's passing on that pink overlay. There are several children with yellow, melon, or near white parents that all have the pink color overlaid. For all I know, it may be a 1 in 1000 trick to get that broken pattern to carry on to a child, but I think if you get one that does, you have a decent chance that it will have that pink in it.

Good luck!



Fairy Wings (Yellow-leaning toward gold?) x Pink Stripes
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Name: Diana
Lincoln, NE (Zone 5b)
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ShakespearesGarden
May 31, 2019 8:28 PM CST
Lyshack, that's a pretty one. I'd love to see anything broken in the seedlings. I guess I'll know eventually Thumbs up
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Name: Diana
Lincoln, NE (Zone 5b)
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 3, 2019 4:52 PM CST
Okay, an update on From Darkness Comes Light x Pink Stripes. Five seedlings have scapes. Woohoo! Only the first two so far are showing From Darkness Comes Light's darker scape coloration. Not as dark as FDCL though.
And there is interesting coloration on the bracts of the two with dark scapes- they look kinda striped.

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Could it mean...striped flowers?!... I'm trying really hard not to be overly hopeful that these babies will be worth a darn, but, but,... Isn't that why we do this?

After a quick google search, I see that coloration on bracts is common in dark scaped daylilies.

So... maybe no stripes... Curious to see if the coloration of the bracts intensifies though...

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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Jun 3, 2019 4:56 PM CST
Diana - I think you have a good chance that some of those seedlings will produce striped blooms. I always look at the child plants of any cultivar to get an idea of what might be passed into seedlings:
https://garden.org/plants/pare...
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Name: Diana
Lincoln, NE (Zone 5b)
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 3, 2019 5:43 PM CST
Becky, I have looked there too! It gives me hope, but I won't count my stripes til I see em Crossing Fingers!
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Jun 4, 2019 10:05 PM CST
So true, but the more seedling you are growing the better your odds! Big Grin
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Name: Diana
Lincoln, NE (Zone 5b)
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 10, 2019 8:23 PM CST
An update on the FDCL x PS seedlings. There looks to be 12 seedlings with scapes. It looks like about 1/3 have some coloration of scapes, bracts, or buds. One scape is about 34 inches tall, and one about 30". Bud count on the taller scape is pretty good so far, as is branching. The photo is the two tallest scapes (so far).

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Since I keep forgetting to take my reading glasses out with me, I can't tell how screwy my photos are until I get them in the house and on the laptop. Sorry for the blur...
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